Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
Hi Mihai, Mihai Popescu wrote on Tue, May 31, 2016 at 06:57:31PM +0300: > $ life > ksh: life: not found Our ports team is doing a great job. To get a life with OpenBSD, simply type $ doas pkg_add life && life Then click around a bit, hit the space bar, and relax. Yours, Ingo
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
> Our ports team is doing a great job. > > To get a life with OpenBSD, simply type > > $ doas pkg_add life && life You've got me! So there is life, but you have to invoke the superuser! Nice :-)
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 08:24:00PM +0800, Teng Zhang wrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. > For my business, I wrote an article for customers on my website that dealt with the issue of what projects they should do themselves and what projects they should hire a contractor for. These are the issues: 1. Are you competent to do the project? 2. Time. How long is this project going to take? You will need to devote your free time from work to work on this project, this includes weekends and possibly vacation time. These time periods are meant for you to recover from work, spend time with your family and do fun things. This time will be lost. Will it effect your work and schooling and happiness in a negative way? 3. The mess. Any project produces some sort of "mess". Whether it means sawdust and trash or needing to buy books and read web pages for hours, etc. I even advised customers on longer projects, that if they could afford it, to temporarily go live someplace else and not suffer the "mess". I then advised, that if you can't handle all three above, hire a contractor. My advice to you. Adjust your life appropriately. You only get one life. Don't screw it up. Be happy. Be productive. After that, devote the time leftover to OpenBSD. OpenBSD is constantly changing, but it isn't going to change so much that the standard set of Unixish commands is going to change. My father uses KDE and just doesn't want to or need to learn more than turning the computer on and off. There are instructions for installing and upgrading already out there. If your question about using OpenBSD is work related, then it's got nothing to do with non-worktime, so work that out on the job. Sometimes it's better to not to be able to try and do a workload that is impossible for one person to do. They may need to hire more people, which basically is the same thing as "hiring a contractor". Anyway, have a decent life first, OpenBSD second. Hopefully both. Chris Bennett
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
$ life ksh: life: not found $ time life ksh: life: not found 0m00.00s real 0m00.00s user 0m00.00s system
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
Luca Ferrari wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Teng Zhangwrote: >I'm an OpenBSD user and not an linux user. I study in university. I usually >have too much homework need to do and sometimes have no time to play >OpenBSD(the situation is similar to @Luca Ferrari). I just want to know how >do you do when you don't have time to play OpenBSD. Maybe a more helpful answer would be, "Yes, OpenBSD is a minority voice in the open source operating system entries. It does require a bit more effort on the part of the user than does a masses-oriented operating system like Linux. The tradeoff is more transparency, simplicity, personal control and security with OpenBSD. If you need the convenience Linux offers, then by all means, use Linux, and godspeed to you." -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Teng Zhangwrote: > I'm an OpenBSD user and not an linux user. I study in university. I usually > have too much homework need to do and sometimes have no time to play > OpenBSD(the situation is similar to @Luca Ferrari). I just want to know how > do you do when you don't have time to play OpenBSD. Uhm..really, what are you searching for? If I don't have time to play with OpenBSD I don't play. Period. I don't believe there is anyone here able to stretch time for you so that your day will become longer enough. Why don't you just place OpenBSD in your life (e.g., on your laptop) and force yourself to deal with it when you have time and need?
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 13:58 +0200, Marko Cupać wrote: > On Sat, 28 May 2016 20:24:00 +0800 > Teng Zhangwrote: > > > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could > > you please share your experience with me about how you adjust your > > time between OpenBSD and your life. > > thanks for any reply. > > > > Strange, when you put it that way it looks like there are two opposed > things: OpenBSD and Life. OpenBSD _is_ life, or at least part of life. > If you feel otherwise I guess you need an acid trip, or some other way > of achieving spiritual discovery ;) > -- > Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. > After enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. > The wisdom of philosophy, with which science seems to be concurring nowadays: “all acts have for their basic purpose the attainment of happiness ... All humans by nature seek happiness, or what they believe to be the best possible life for humans ... It is not within our power to seek anything else” Robert Almeder on Aristotle, ‘Human Happiness and Morality’ (2000), p. 152 "The fear programme is obviously designed to get us away from things that are likely to harm us. If we had to make an analogous claim about the purpose of the happiness system, we would be most likely to say that it is there to keep us moving towards things that are likely to be good for us in some appropriate biological sense--mating, good food, pleasant environment--and away from things that are bad for us." Daniel Nettle, ‘Happiness: The Science Behind Your Smile’ (2005), p. 38 Taking the plunge, or diving in, it can sometimes take a few moments to get the big picture of you life back into perspective when resurfacing. Lorenzo S. Littles, in The Happiness Handbook (1993) has a routine that he drills into the reader throughout the book: [ ] THINK - “tomorrow’s happiness and contentment” (p . 28) [ ] FOCUS - ... [ ] VISUALISE - “today’s plans and actions [that] will create tomorrow’s happiness and contentment.” (p . 28), “put together a plan, step by step” (p. 20) (quoting from Littles also, on the topic of visualisation, “Imagination is more important than knowledge.” Albert Einstein (p. 17)) Notes Re. the actual Aristotle quote on happiness, 'Greek/translation' http://en.allexperts.com/q/Greek-2004/2010/2/translation-38.htm For an informal 'non-scientific' introduction to the science of happiness I would suggest The Nature Of Happiness, Desmond Morris (2004) (can usually be picked up online for a few pence from a second hand bookshop).
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Teng Zhangwrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. % emacs -nw -Q -f doctor How can we help you if we don't know why you are "involved" in OpenBSD? Is it a passion? Is it a job? Is it a nightmare? How do you deal with and you life?
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 7:31 AM Teng Zhangwrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. > > If OpenBSD is consuming so much of your time that it is interfering with life, then maybe leave OpenBSD alone for a while and come back when life in general isn't needing your full attention, Maybe run OpenBSD for your server or desktop, but don't consume yourself with it - if it works, it works - and it should work without having to constantly babysit or tweak it. I am a musician, and if I could I would easily spend 12+ hours per day playing, composing, recording and mixing music. But I have a job and family, so music takes a second seat to that. There are times where I can't even pick up an instrument for days at a time. That's life. But I always come back to it whenever I get the chance, and sometimes I have the time to focus heavily on music. OpenBSD should be no different for you.
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Sat, 28 May 2016 20:24:00 +0800 Teng Zhangwrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could > you please share your experience with me about how you adjust your > time between OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. > Strange, when you put it that way it looks like there are two opposed things: OpenBSD and Life. OpenBSD _is_ life, or at least part of life. If you feel otherwise I guess you need an acid trip, or some other way of achieving spiritual discovery ;) -- Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. After enlightenment - chop wood, draw water. Marko Cupać https://www.mimar.rs/
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> So, in the end, what are you? And what's you real problem, you think you > are putting too much or to little time on OpenBSD? What's there to adjust? Probably a heavy linux user, who spent too much time in it, then somehow got the idea that is more cool to run UNIX, better the most secure one of them, then he thinks crying about he spent too much time with OpenBSD will make him forget about it, etc. (... I'm not good at all at enumerating actions in english grammar and at english in general ...) .
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Saturday, May 28, 2016, Teng Zhangwrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. > > What are you? If you are a user, you probably benefit from OpenBSD more than a Linux or Windows or whatever, and your time is productively consumed with systems and servers which won't break or suddenly stop working due to bugs, failures, lack of documentation or, hmmm, systemd If you are a developer well openbsd is mostly a volunteer work so I guess you do this by pleasure. Some few people get paid to dev OpenBSD directly or indirectly, leveraging in OpenBSD to run their business, so again, it's probably a choice, a pleasure OR an act of contribution, so the time you put on these depends on your other joys of life (family, sports, etc) If you are a hobbyist, you should already be using only your spare time on OpenBSD activities, as a user or a contributor If you are a student, you should already be able to find how much time you can put on a subject before your learning rate and productivity drops... So, in the end, what are you? And what's you real problem, you think you are putting too much or to little time on OpenBSD? What's there to adjust? -- === Eduardo Meyer pessoal: dudu.me...@gmail.com profissional: ddm.farmac...@saude.gov.br
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
For me, I went from Linux -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD about 15 years ago and stayed here. I dabble in other things like Linux du jour but OpenBSD is the reliable backbone, reads partitions of other operating systems on multiboot machines (ok, not ext4). I've never screwed it up so bad I couldn't fix it. Every operating system wants you to devote significant chunks of your life to learning it. Debian's really friendly until you break something then it's so horribly complex (that's putting it nicely) that no mere human can fix it. Searchable documentation seems to be the key, or Googling things. Searchable mailing list archives. Unless you intend to actually read every bit of documentation for each operating system you use. And by then it will have changed enough so you need to start over. -- Credit is the root of all evil. - AB1JX
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 05/28/16 14:24, Teng Zhang wrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. > Could you please share your experience with me about how you adjust > your time between OpenBSD and your life. That is a very, very odd question to ask. In my experience, keeping an OpenBSD system (or multitudes) running requires significantly less effort than most Unixish systems I've encountered. If you feel that OpenBSD is consuming too much of your time, I would recommend checking what it is you're doing wrong. Following outdated HOWTOs that insist that upgrades of both base system and ports (pakcages) must be done by cvs checkout and rebuild on each individual system, perhaps? That's just a wild guess, or course. On the other hand, if you're aiming to master the internals of the system, you should expect to spend significant time studying, experimenting, making mistakes and fixing them. > thanks for any reply. I'm sure replies will be more constructive if you offer up some more information about the actual problem. - -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXSag7AAoJELJiGF9h4DyeqOYQALiGrmanTSLTzAHHTEx59Gn6 7pCzq8KWAgu+d5J2nWXiVD3TXhbKr/+lLr6L8eGOu6VYLOJwoMjWExtZNYRun3O3 htawgHvJKhmWYcP+/nUBow2Tglq7a4fyUp3Om1c6HKRqDz0UuRteRCbcknuuHOGs WWzgUj0ktYU1xrkvApzV34sCXEtkf2mhnuWFWAErZZK5DBpTH+TmCZnautKCNdJA jKQUQM0EB2JWp1VCFqLoYAIlZhUCYC0i6n8XiHQPpZFRDFGRE3OeRgVZq22rmYbD NFBQ+JmGh5MXmlVMte4VWNouRENkrbaLFzDOhQA0jM6LKVD2YzIiWYxv9pOSO+DC Fvj4qfavbRBhkmtBD3C74Vd4h2a28niCKih1FDU+70DXzNSCNVaqvM1g5dS5iRrb ggyav+v089qPmCf8YSaVd5ImOQy0JSreJOzftB3ykWIQ3Ei5uehiuJvEQx4fFq1K aH+3HY5GzixCQzffgD83dekOuv0IBFGNOYsIpE/0RSdu4UNjNZFxhgn00aS70uEg VhtKOlppDyp/BBHgk7oHi/8t0/Dl065Xb/MKg8CNQicjWEX++14Cm6U3tLkai50N COCQgkLYLYrfCm6Z6UfE48HONDI6a16B5BhWxkUkwfOZnUun2uSCFp6MpQY5GhEf t8bbAF1uS+hbJlM5BfB2 =hu0v -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
Lmao. kk, i just use snapshots and packages, no compilation, no headache. 2016-05-28 15:24 GMT+03:00 Teng Zhang: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply.
Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Teng Zhangwrote: > I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you > please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between > OpenBSD and your life. > thanks for any reply. I am not at all sure what you mean by "appropriately", but one trick might be to limit posts to the lists to constructive topics? -- Raul
the balance between OpenBSD and life
I can't adjust the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between OpenBSD and your life. thanks for any reply.