Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Xiyue Deng
Ingo Schwarze writes: > Hi Stuart, > > Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: >> Somebody wrote: > >>> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >>> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be >>> interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? >

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread gwes
Suggestion: to improve file system performance, first document the bad behavior in detail. Begin with examples of traces/logs of disk accesses associated with file system operations. Include scenarios (one hopes reproducible ones) to provoke bad behavior. Are reads worse than writes?

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stuart, Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: > Somebody wrote: >> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be >> interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? > I'm hoping it will be more than

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Stuart Longland
On 9/1/20 12:20 pm, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> and the answer now becomes you are hardly qualified for such kind of >> work. > I suspect you are also unqualified. > You don't become qualified by writing words on a mailing list… and while I acknowledge a lack of experience in the area, I do

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Xiyue Deng wrote: > It would be better to point out where to start, what > hard problems to solve, what work has been done in this area that people > can continue to work on. Looking at that list, noone here owes you any of those. Do your own homework. Re-reading the thread is remarkable.

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Even if you had, let's say, a whole year to spend full-time, you > would not really be making any sense right now. So, could we drop > this thread, please? Ingo, you know that's impossible. These are people on misc, their self-importance and optimism knows no bounds.

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Xiyue Deng wrote: > Ingo Schwarze writes: > > > Hi Stuart, > > > > Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: > >> Somebody wrote: > > > >>> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed > >>> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be > >>>

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Xiyue Deng
"Theo de Raadt" writes: > Xiyue Deng wrote: > >> Ingo Schwarze writes: >> >> > Hi Stuart, >> > >> > Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: >> >> Somebody wrote: >> > >> >>> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >> >>> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever,

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Xiyue Deng
gwes writes: > Suggestion: to improve file system performance, > first document the bad behavior in detail. > > Begin with examples of traces/logs of disk accesses associated > with file system operations. > > Include scenarios (one hopes reproducible ones) to provoke > bad behavior. > > Are

Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?

2020-01-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:57:37 +0300 Hamd wrote: > Under less than 24 hours, after my post, the misc has received 2 or 3 > brand new questions/posts regarding slow*. The problem is, well, > obviously not me, personally. > For the Dev Team (All of 'em. Volunteer, beer-teer, pay-teer ones): I >

Re: Odd /tmp behavior

2020-01-08 Thread Jan Stary
On Jan 08 08:31:26, n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: > Another place where softdeps will sometimes bite you is when you > unpack tar balls that overwrite existing files -- simple thought > process says, "as long as you have enough space to cover the growth, > fine". Softdeps might surprise you.

Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?

2020-01-08 Thread Hamd
"4.) The code is right there, you are invited to improve the situation." Simple answer: I'm not a developer, I'm a user. A regular one. Under less than 24 hours, after my post, the misc has received 2 or 3 brand new questions/posts regarding slow*. The problem is, well, obviously not me,

Re: Odd /tmp behavior

2020-01-08 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2020-01-08, Nick Holland wrote: > Weird stuff happens when Softdeps are working as designed. To put it simply: Meta-data writes are delayed. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Odd /tmp behavior

2020-01-08 Thread Raymond, David
Thanks for the input on softdep. I read a lot on the pros and cons. This certainly pushes me in the "con" direction. I forgot to mention that I am using 6.6 stable, not current, so the latest updates to softdep shouldn't be an issue. Dave Raymond On 1/8/20, Jan Stary wrote: > On Jan 08

Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Ian Darwin
> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed > EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be > interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? And which "we" are you referring to here? Did you mean yourself, or are you hoping that "somebody" will do it? > There's merit in

Re: Why isn't ChallengeResponseAuthentication NO in sshd_config?

2020-01-08 Thread lu hu
Hello, even the very first remote hole for OpenBSD, back in 2002 was about that the: https://web.archive.org/web/20160915002152/http://www.iss.net/threats/advise123.html https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2002-0639/ "ChallengeResponseAuthentication" was set to yes.. (it was more, but it would

Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?

2020-01-08 Thread Joe Greco
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 05:57:37PM +0300, Hamd wrote: > Under less than 24 hours, after my post, the misc has received 2 or 3 brand > new questions/posts regarding slow*. Well, in the case of my issue, I am reasonably certain that this isn't an issue with LibreSSL. I raised it as an issue of

Re: Leaving OpenBSD (with patch)

2020-01-08 Thread Roderick
Theo, please, give him the travel blessing, before departure. Rod. On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > Some people have needs that OpenBSD doesn't meet. Of course the > logical thing to do is to adapt it to meet them or to use something > which does but to some -- in line with the

Re: Thinking of changing DNS Service provider, looking for recommendations

2020-01-08 Thread Henry Bonath
I've used Hurricane Electric's free DNS service for years now along with their Tunnelbroker since my ISP still does not support IPv6 yet. They also support dynamic updates which works with "ddclient" from the OpenBSD package repo. https://dns.he.net/ On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:25 AM Jay Hart

Leaving OpenBSD (with patch)

2020-01-08 Thread chohag
Some people have needs that OpenBSD doesn't meet. Of course the logical thing to do is to adapt it to meet them or to use something which does but to some -- in line with the general complexication that's progressing nowadays -- this simple solution is not enough and the need to announce one's

Re: Why isn't ChallengeResponseAuthentication NO in sshd_config?

2020-01-08 Thread Allan Streib
lu hu writes: > So I think ChallengeResponseAuthentication should be set to NO, since > it is not used by anything by default (you need manual steps as root > to use ex.: skey). If you want it set to NO, if you feel safer that way, set it to NO on your systems. IMHO Allan

Re: File systems [was Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?]

2020-01-08 Thread Karel Gardas
On 1/8/20 12:44 PM, Tom Smyth wrote: As far as im aware there are 2 concerns about ZFS, 1) its license is not BSD /ISC you can use it and make money and not be sued, but it is more restrictive than BSD / ISC Yes, CDDL seems to be a no go based on past CDDL discussion which is available

Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?

2020-01-08 Thread Jonathan Drews
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 at 7:35 AM From: "Hamd" To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance? It's 2020 and it's -still- sad to see OpenBSD -still- has the lowest/poorest (general/overall) performance ever:

Re: File systems [was Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?]

2020-01-08 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Karel, Thanks, for the correction... I thought zfs was bigger than that ;) Thanks On Wednesday, 8 January 2020, Karel Gardas wrote: > > > On 1/8/20 12:44 PM, Tom Smyth wrote: > >> As far as im aware there are 2 concerns about ZFS, >> 1) its license is not BSD /ISC you can use it and

Re: Leaving OpenBSD (with patch)

2020-01-08 Thread Aaron Mason
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 3:54 AM Roderick wrote: > > > Theo, please, give him the travel blessing, before departure. > > Rod. > > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > > > Some people have needs that OpenBSD doesn't meet. Of course the > > logical thing to do is to adapt it to meet them or

Iked dead-peer-detection and DynDNS

2020-01-08 Thread List
Hi, I am using Iked to tunnel to my home router from an openbsd machine. Everything works fine that far. Problems occur when my router reboots at night and gets a new IP assigned. (DSL) Afer receiving the new IP the tunnel is not rebuilt. Because the active part doesn't recognize that the IP has

Re: Iked dead-peer-detection and DynDNS

2020-01-08 Thread Aaron Mason
On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:09 AM List wrote: > > Hi, > I am using Iked to tunnel to my home router from an openbsd machine. > Everything works fine that far. Problems occur when my router reboots at > night and gets a new IP assigned. (DSL) > Afer receiving the new IP the tunnel is not rebuilt.

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Stuart Longland
On 9/1/20 12:56 am, Ian Darwin wrote: >> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be >> interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? > > And which "we" are you referring to here? Did you mean yourself, > or are you hoping

Re: ifconfig behavior

2020-01-08 Thread Denis Fondras
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 10:19:36PM +, Pedro Caetano wrote: > Hi misc@ happy new year! > > While running snapshot #584 on amd64 I noticed setting addresses using > ifconfig is not consistent for ipv4 and ipv6. > > Is this expected behavior? I wasn't able to find anything in the FAQ. > It

usb disk panic on ALIX.1E

2020-01-08 Thread Jan Stary
This is 6.6-current on an ALIX (dmesg below), serving as my home server. It's where I store the daily.local dumps, into /backup on a big USB disk. The machine often crashes into a ddb when saving those dumps. I only have lame screenshots now (will plug a cereal in):

File systems [was Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?]

2020-01-08 Thread Stuart Longland
On 8/1/20 1:25 am, Karel Gardas wrote: > And yes, ffs performance sucks, but nor me nor you provide any diff to > change that so we can just shut up and use what's available. Okay, question is if not ffs, then what? - Other BSDs have ZFS… is it viable to port that to OpenBSD? (Maybe it's been

OpenSSH ignoring login.conf and ypbind (LDAP) config.

2020-01-08 Thread Daniel Corbe
I'm trying to log into my OpenBSD server with an LDAP user and it's not working: Jan 8 10:41:57 aagico-postgres-nextcloud sshd[15381]: Failed password for dcorbe from 73.57.99.182 port 45222 ssh2 Although login.conf is configured properly: # /usr/libexec/auth/login_-ldap -d -s login dcorbe

Re: possible SSH algorithm issues?

2020-01-08 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2020-01-08, "lu hu" wrote: > are these real issues? No. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: File systems [was Re: OpenBSD's extremely poor network/disk performance?]

2020-01-08 Thread Tom Smyth
Howdy Stuart, On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 11:17, Stuart Longland wrote: > > On 8/1/20 1:25 am, Karel Gardas wrote: > > And yes, ffs performance sucks, but nor me nor you provide any diff to > > change that so we can just shut up and use what's available. > > Okay, question is if not ffs, then what? >

Re: Boot fail using internal SATA port, success using USB port.

2020-01-08 Thread hkewiki
On 2020-01-07 15:16, Nick Holland wrote: hardware: DELL Latitude e5440 Pretty sure I've tested one of those, they work. As I recall, the E5440 is a few years old, and if I recall properly, the battery wasn't very long-lived in it. And the Dells of that vintage had a really wacked default

possible SSH algorithm issues?

2020-01-08 Thread lu hu
Hello, used https://www.sshaudit.com/ + ssh-audit package ### by default OpenBSD 6.6 ssh client (SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_8.1) has issues: Host Key Types: nistp should be removed Key Exchange Algorithms: nistp should be removed, also diffie-hellman-group14-sha1: SHA-1 has

Re: Odd /tmp behavior

2020-01-08 Thread Nick Holland
On 2020-01-07 14:06, Karel Gardas wrote: > > > On 1/7/20 7:38 PM, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: >> > Using softdep on /tmp is a silly idea. > > Why? To naive eyes it may look like a natural solution: e.g. before temp > file is even created (on drive), it may be deleted which means there is > no