Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
I see, now, how my post was misinterpreted. 2015/07/09 9:26 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com: Hmm. Should have looked at the contributions page before I posted. I was reading Gold and thinking Iridium. A corporate contribution of between 25,000 and 50,000 (the Gold level that Microsoft contributed in) is not in the range that it would raise the concerns I was trying too carefully to voice politely below. Quite the opposite, and I should have gone beyond saying that it made Google look a little stingy. (Facebook, too. And, yeah, Apple, Cisco, Oracle, et. al., should be suffering from more than little twinges of conscience.) Still, sudden infusions of cash are not all good. They often do more damage than good. Among the problems, people get jealous or complacent. In this case, I might be worried that a lot of people who are planning to buy CDs and/or make other small contributions might find it too convenient to assume that the corporate sponsors are going to take care of everything. If any one company were to donate 200,000 or more, it would be that much easier to get in the habit of thinking there is a corporate sponsor. With the current state of contributions, one contribution in the range of 25,000 to 50,000 is enough to remind us that the openbsd community is the devs and the users, and the bottom line is individual contributions. And encourage to keep contributing. So I think Microsoft's contribution here was good, and probably carefully considered. I think we could even have four to six contributors at the 25,000 to 50,000 level without complacency becoming too much of a problem, because that level isn't as likely to be confused with sponsorship (real or de facto). On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1] I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and security and how they interact from a very broad perspective. I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can see from where I'm sitting. I was thinking that the Gold level would be in the 250,000+ range. As I said, I should have gone looking for the actual facts before jumping to that conclusion. My bad. Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks. And I still want to emphasize this to those who have expressed their worries about influence. Influence buying is not the thing to worry about here, and, as Thomas said, I think if we are worried about that, we really don't trust the developers enough to be using what they build as more than a toy. Influence was and is the least of my concerns. Induced complacency is a worse problem, and I won't bother mentioning other strategies that would likely get used if Microsoft were to decide that they needed to either absorb or destroy openbsd. We don't need to be second guessing the OpenBSD Foundation board. I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the project) more time. Less than USD 50,000 is probably not quite in the range to get worried about. In other words, at this level, I don't think I need to worry that Microsoft is attempting to destroy openbsd with sudden infusions of cash. (And, yes, from what I have seen, Microsoft has done that in the past. More than once. Changing a few upper-level managers may be enough that they will quit abusing their monopoly position, but I'm not convinced yet. If they repeat their contribution at about the same level next year and the next, without hinting at how OpenBSD could be more compatible with MSWindows and less with some other OS, I'll be a lot more willing to believe there has been some substantial change.) Makes Google look a little stingy, though. -- Joel Rees [1] Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own. -- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. I know I shouldn't be so quick to see plots and and such, but Microsoft has definitely been among the more dangerous companies to deal with in the past. And now I'll shut up. -- Joel Rees Computer memory is just fancy paper, and the CPU is just a fancy pen. All is text, streaming forever from the past into the future.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Check out this on fossforce... http://fossforce.com/2015/07/microsoft-writes-check-free-oscon-passes/#more-1253135 I thought this online blog was only interestedin linux, but apparently its focus is much larger. On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, Joel Rees wrote: I see, now, how my post was misinterpreted. 2015/07/09 9:26 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com: Hmm. Should have looked at the contributions page before I posted. I was reading Gold and thinking Iridium. A corporate contribution of between 25,000 and 50,000 (the Gold level that Microsoft contributed in) is not in the range that it would raise the concerns I was trying too carefully to voice politely below. Quite the opposite, and I should have gone beyond saying that it made Google look a little stingy. (Facebook, too. And, yeah, Apple, Cisco, Oracle, et. al., should be suffering from more than little twinges of conscience.) Still, sudden infusions of cash are not all good. They often do more damage than good. Among the problems, people get jealous or complacent. In this case, I might be worried that a lot of people who are planning to buy CDs and/or make other small contributions might find it too convenient to assume that the corporate sponsors are going to take care of everything. If any one company were to donate 200,000 or more, it would be that much easier to get in the habit of thinking there is a corporate sponsor. With the current state of contributions, one contribution in the range of 25,000 to 50,000 is enough to remind us that the openbsd community is the devs and the users, and the bottom line is individual contributions. And encourage to keep contributing. So I think Microsoft's contribution here was good, and probably carefully considered. I think we could even have four to six contributors at the 25,000 to 50,000 level without complacency becoming too much of a problem, because that level isn't as likely to be confused with sponsorship (real or de facto). On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1] I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and security and how they interact from a very broad perspective. I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can see from where I'm sitting. I was thinking that the Gold level would be in the 250,000+ range. As I said, I should have gone looking for the actual facts before jumping to that conclusion. My bad. Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks. And I still want to emphasize this to those who have expressed their worries about influence. Influence buying is not the thing to worry about here, and, as Thomas said, I think if we are worried about that, we really don't trust the developers enough to be using what they build as more than a toy. Influence was and is the least of my concerns. Induced complacency is a worse problem, and I won't bother mentioning other strategies that would likely get used if Microsoft were to decide that they needed to either absorb or destroy openbsd. We don't need to be second guessing the OpenBSD Foundation board. I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the project) more time. Less than USD 50,000 is probably not quite in the range to get worried about. In other words, at this level, I don't think I need to worry that Microsoft is attempting to destroy openbsd with sudden infusions of cash. (And, yes, from what I have seen, Microsoft has done that in the past. More than once. Changing a few upper-level managers may be enough that they will quit abusing their monopoly position, but I'm not convinced yet. If they repeat their contribution at about the same level next year and the next, without hinting at how OpenBSD could be more compatible with MSWindows and less with some other OS, I'll be a lot more willing to believe there has been some substantial change.) Makes Google look a little stingy, though. -- Joel Rees [1] Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own. -- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. I know I shouldn't be so quick to see plots and and such, but Microsoft has definitely been among the more dangerous companies to deal with in the past. And now I'll shut up. -- Joel Rees Computer memory is just fancy paper, and the CPU is just a fancy pen. All is text, streaming forever from the past into the future.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Em 08-07-2015 18:48, Артур Истомин escreveu: And it was send from Linux OS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Shame for you, linux fan boy:) And this proves what exactly? You don't know about my use for neither Linux nor OpenBSD, you don't get to talk about it.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Am 08.07.2015 um 19:04 schrieb Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount: Quoting Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Gleydson Soares gsoa...@gmail.com wrote: Great news ! As I said on the OpenBSD facebook page: I have to say that I find it quite ironic of all of the vendors in the world, the foundation gets a huge donation from Microsoft which yet have implemented it yet. Huge kudos to Microsoft. I guess the next up is Oracle? :-) I do not find it ironic but suspicious and a little worrying, but have no good rant since I only have contributed buying a CD set and a rucksack. I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. Well Microsoft has learn thnings in the past and they also hired enough guys to set them on the right track. It's just logical to found something you might want to learn/get know how from. I think I just saw an interview with theo de raadt where he stated that in his opinion MS is 2nd now when it come to getting security right on there OS. I think there is still a way to go and I'm not a MS fanboy but Microsoft showed they want to learn and if this means open up (and if it's just a little) they do that. I think a good example is SAMBA , as they were forced to cooperate with the samba team they could have send some guys that have no clue but no they send guys that were decent and know there stuff becuase they wanted to benefit from this. So why not be a little happy that the openbsd project got a contribution even from MS? but well maybe I get it all wrong ... regards -- Markus Rosjatfon: +49 351 8107223mail: ros...@ghweb.de G+H Webservice GbR Gorzolla, Herrmann Königsbrücker Str. 70, 01099 Dresden http://www.ghweb.de fon: +49 351 8107220 fax: +49 351 8107227 Bitte prüfen Sie, ob diese Mail wirklich ausgedruckt werden muss! Before you print it, think about your responsibility and commitment to the ENVIRONMENT
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 10:12:44AM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. Donations to the Foundation can be made on our Donations Page at www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html We can be contacted regarding corporate sponsorship at fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org. Nice! Reyk
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Great news ! On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Kenneth R Westerback kwesterb...@gmail.com wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. Donations to the Foundation can be made on our Donations Page at www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html We can be contacted regarding corporate sponsorship at fundrais...@openbsdfoundation.org.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Gleydson Soares gsoa...@gmail.com wrote: Great news ! As I said on the OpenBSD facebook page: I have to say that I find it quite ironic of all of the vendors in the world, the foundation gets a huge donation from Microsoft which yet have implemented it yet. Huge kudos to Microsoft. I guess the next up is Oracle? :-) -- chs
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. Even your tiny hint is an attack on our character. I am not going to take that lightly. I wouldn't worry too much about that. It would simply be an hilarious addition to theo.c. Imagine Theos explosive response to some of the kdbus, cgroups et al that Linus has struggled to deal with, never mind binary blobs. http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Much appreciated insight Theo. I wouldn't say that I question OpenBSD's behaviors or character in the slightest - quite the contrary - this group stands as an example of how open source can successfully work. Bravo. Where I personally am a bit discomforted is in all the other examples we've seen in recent years (*cough*linux*) of how big money has changed the perspective of other (once considered solid) open source projects as well. Money is certainly necessary, but big enough piles develop some strange gravitational forces. That's not at all an accusation that meddling is or ever will happen here. It's more just a reminder in my mind to stay ever vigilant of signs of things like meddling/tampering/influencing/(insert your verb of choice here) that erodes the core focus. This organization has done an excellent job to date of preventing this. Let's just keep it up . News like this just makes me skeptical of what -Redmond- is up to considering their long history of upstanding behavior. ;o) Cheers, - -Chris On 7/8/15 10:57 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. I said this in 2006: I think that contributions should have come first from the vendors, secondly from the corporate users, and thirdly from individual users. But the response has been almost entirely the opposite, with almost a 15 to 1 dollar ratio in favor of the little people. Thanks a lot, little people! As a non-director, I do not have any more insight into the current ratios of contributions to the Foundation, other than their annual financials which anyone can find. However I suspect it would take many years of big company money to move that ratio forward from a 20 year pattern... However you used a specific word that bothers me. Honestly, I don't see proof of any meddling, if I saw it, I would care deeply about it. You'll have to be significantly more detailed before raising what might appear as an allegation, supposition that it might occur in the future is simply not enough. Even your tiny hint is an attack on our character. I am not going to take that lightly. Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVnWyVAAoJEOO37M6Idh8NioQH/29mSqxAwhFWyaix1MU34NpR IwwTPRtetSOdpPV/mcpnSC4fkdWsnkNc1Zs88dsHVGOFlU6V5dCP6lPXi+/m38mZ BAnxsZW91IDvL2R3GjUbxZDU+UWeV52fn46BF57HMFdjSbIyF2hvapq2o+8XWVUi Z8iyMSfNHBxvzLRKHvpDU+dmb5xD1Wele+AosbKPr3LxVBWf89PT6BIBcSrAmr3g 7rNCrZPfCGwmxc1+QOWN0v9PTfBrn6/cPKgRfk+y6gL23gH1ibfqMY6AIOXPNkzu zHeF76oITn0O2aFVFSmFZnAE1atVTIVixgxJ6sCAOwysE+MV7rJbOrwZ6Klidi0= =JvPL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Quoting Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. I said this in 2006: I think that contributions should have come first from the vendors, secondly from the corporate users, and thirdly from individual users. But the response has been almost entirely the opposite, with almost a 15 to 1 dollar ratio in favor of the little people. Thanks a lot, little people! As a non-director, I do not have any more insight into the current ratios of contributions to the Foundation, other than their annual financials which anyone can find. However I suspect it would take many years of big company money to move that ratio forward from a 20 year pattern... However you used a specific word that bothers me. Honestly, I don't see proof of any meddling, if I saw it, I would care deeply about it. You'll have to be significantly more detailed before raising what might appear as an allegation, supposition that it might occur in the future is simply not enough. Even your tiny hint is an attack on our character. I am not going to take that lightly. It's not about OpenBSD or its people, it's about Microsoft, I think that what happened to Nokia is a good example of that. I stopped following Microsoft in detail when I switched to Linux many years ago so I have no concrete and recent example about that, but one thing I remember is Microsoft threatening Linux users and companies about patents and IP, then SuSE entering into agreements with Microsoft to not be sued. I prefer to not opine whether if was good for SuSE its relationship with Microsoft, but I highly disliked Microsoft playing the patent troll with the Linux community. I personally think there is very little good about Microsoft besides its money. So I think and hope that OpenBSD people will keep doing the good job they have been doing. If not, well, there are other OSes out there, no need to make accusations or throw a tantrum about it. -- Best regards, Jorge Lopez. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Quoting Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. I said this in 2006: I think that contributions should have come first from the vendors, secondly from the corporate users, and thirdly from individual users. But the response has been almost entirely the opposite, with almost a 15 to 1 dollar ratio in favor of the little people. Thanks a lot, little people! As a non-director, I do not have any more insight into the current ratios of contributions to the Foundation, other than their annual financials which anyone can find. However I suspect it would take many years of big company money to move that ratio forward from a 20 year pattern... However you used a specific word that bothers me. Honestly, I don't see proof of any meddling, if I saw it, I would care deeply about it. You'll have to be significantly more detailed before raising what might appear as an allegation, supposition that it might occur in the future is simply not enough. Even your tiny hint is an attack on our character. I am not going to take that lightly. It's not about OpenBSD or its people, it's about Microsoft, I think that what happened to Nokia is a good example of that. This is an OpenBSD mailing list, so that is off-topic. You effectively accused MSFT (or other companies) of meddling in OpenBSD, which means you are accusing OpenBSD of being accepting towards such 'meddling'. Are you ethically-challenged and unable to understand what you are saying? So I think and hope that OpenBSD people will keep doing the good job they have been doing. If not, well, there are other OSes out there, no need to make accusations or throw a tantrum about it. I hope you eventually learn to stop accusing people without evidence.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Quoting Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Gleydson Soares gsoa...@gmail.com wrote: Great news ! As I said on the OpenBSD facebook page: I have to say that I find it quite ironic of all of the vendors in the world, the foundation gets a huge donation from Microsoft which yet have implemented it yet. Huge kudos to Microsoft. I guess the next up is Oracle? :-) I do not find it ironic but suspicious and a little worrying, but have no good rant since I only have contributed buying a CD set and a rucksack. I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. -- Best regards, Jorge Lopez. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. I said this in 2006: I think that contributions should have come first from the vendors, secondly from the corporate users, and thirdly from individual users. But the response has been almost entirely the opposite, with almost a 15 to 1 dollar ratio in favor of the little people. Thanks a lot, little people! As a non-director, I do not have any more insight into the current ratios of contributions to the Foundation, other than their annual financials which anyone can find. However I suspect it would take many years of big company money to move that ratio forward from a 20 year pattern... However you used a specific word that bothers me. Honestly, I don't see proof of any meddling, if I saw it, I would care deeply about it. You'll have to be significantly more detailed before raising what might appear as an allegation, supposition that it might occur in the future is simply not enough. Even your tiny hint is an attack on our character. I am not going to take that lightly.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On 2015-07-08 13:04, Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount wrote: I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. Jorge, Its users should support it, yes. True. And many of us do. However, the statement might not be completely accurate. To the best of my knowledge: 1. Contributors do not influence technical direction, instead, the funds are allocated based on Project need. This is per the description at http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html and the description at http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html 2. Any code contribution requires the approval of multiple Project members -- developers with commit authority -- in order to be committed, and all commits are subject to Project review. 3. All code commits are done publicly, via CVS. That's per stated policy in http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html and is also pursuant to the Open in the Project's name. Yes, it is possible for a financial contributor to influence development. Specifically, hardware support may be influenced by contributing sample hardware to an interested developer. I have also heard that certain beverages may have a minor influential effect.* --- * I would consider this a social contribution rather than a financial one. Though, some single malt scotches have reached a price where one may require both Financial Advisers and Investment Counselors in order to obtain them.** ** Yes, Macallan 18, I'm looking at you.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 10:12:44 -0400 Kenneth R Westerback wrote: The OpenBSD Foundation is happy to announce that Microsoft has made a significant financial donation to the Foundation. This donation is in recognition of the role of the Foundation in supporting the OpenSSH project. This donation makes Microsoft the first Gold level contributor in the OpenBSD Foundation's 2015 fundraising campaign. Donations to the Foundation can be made on our Donations Page at Shame on you Apple, Redhat and Cisco etc..
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 03:48:51PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Em 08-07-2015 15:34, Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount escreveu: there are other OSes out there, no need to make accusations or throw a tantrum about it. Go use these other OSes and leave OpenBSD alone. You'd be doing us a favor. And it was send from Linux OS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 Shame for you, linux fan boy :) Cheers, Giancarlo Razzolini
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 01:36:20PM -0400, Josh Grosse wrote: On 2015-07-08 13:04, Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount wrote: I would like to say only this: if people to not want big companies meddling with OpenBSD as it has been happening with Linux better its users support it. Jorge, Its users should support it, yes. True. And many of us do. However, the statement might not be completely accurate. To the best of my knowledge: 1. Contributors do not influence technical direction, instead, the funds are allocated based on Project need. This is per the description at http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html and the description at http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html 2. Any code contribution requires the approval of multiple Project members -- developers with commit authority -- in order to be committed, and all commits are subject to Project review. 3. All code commits are done publicly, via CVS. That's per stated policy in http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html and is also pursuant to the Open in the Project's name. Yes, it is possible for a financial contributor to influence development. Specifically, hardware support may be influenced by contributing sample hardware to an interested developer. I have also heard that certain beverages may have a minor influential effect.* --- * I would consider this a social contribution rather than a financial one. Though, some single malt scotches have reached a price where one may require both Financial Advisers and Investment Counselors in order to obtain them.** ** Yes, Macallan 18, I'm looking at you. In general, I would say: If you don't trust the developers to not let companies meddle with OpenBSD, then you shouldn't trust them, and their OS anyways. Kind regards, Thomas
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Hmm. Should have looked at the contributions page before I posted. I was reading Gold and thinking Iridium. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1] I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and security and how they interact from a very broad perspective. I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can see from where I'm sitting. Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks. I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the project) more time. Less than USD 50,000 is probably not quite in the range to get worried about. Makes Google look a little stingy, though. -- Joel Rees [1] Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own. -- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1] I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and security and how they interact from a very broad perspective. I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can see from where I'm sitting. Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks. I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the project) more time. -- Joel Rees [1] Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own. -- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
For what it's worth, Microsoft leadership has changed and so has their strategy. They've embraced other OSS projects and are contributing to Docker as well. They are also working on a way to get .Net to be cross platform. They have also stated they will be implementing SSH more or less: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/microsoft-bringing-ssh-to-windows-and-powershell/ Im not surprised by the donation given their leadership change at all. On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Should have looked at the contributions page before I posted. I was reading Gold and thinking Iridium. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Since Jorge broached the subject, I have a couple of armpits I'd like to air.[1] I am glad, Theo, that you are not on the board of the OpenBSD Foundation. For many reasons, including the present topic of discussion, it demonstrates that you understand engineering and security and how they interact from a very broad perspective. I sympathize with the board. There is no correct response that I can see from where I'm sitting. Beyond that, the board doesn't need armchair quarterbacks. I just wish Microsoft had given us (the community, as well as the project) more time. Less than USD 50,000 is probably not quite in the range to get worried about. Makes Google look a little stingy, though. -- Joel Rees [1] Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple, and they all stink but your own. -- a common saying in Texas from the mid-1970s -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well.
Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor
Em 08-07-2015 15:34, Jorge Gabriel Lopez Paramount escreveu: there are other OSes out there, no need to make accusations or throw a tantrum about it. Go use these other OSes and leave OpenBSD alone. You'd be doing us a favor. Cheers, Giancarlo Razzolini
