Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-20 Thread David Walker
Most long term OpenBSD users know of THEOS. The reason is simple; the scumbag company behind that OS tried to use reverse domain hijacking (i.e. a bogus dispute claim) to steal the THEOS.COM domain name from it's owner, namely Theo de Raadt. Here's the goss: http://theos.com/dispute.html

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-19 Thread Brian Shackelford
-Original Message- From: J.C. Roberts [mailto:list-...@designtools.org] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:58 PM To: Brian Shackelford Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance) On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:27

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-18 Thread openbsd misc
Fact of the matter is that I have become convinced that those that know how to actually TROUBLESHOOT problems are in the very small minority in this industry. I think this is really the crux of the matter, I find the ability to troubleshoot multi-vendor complexity is getting to be a rare

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-18 Thread Brian Shackelford
-Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of openbsd misc Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:27 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance) Fact

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-18 Thread bofh
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Aaron Mason simplersolut...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yes, M$ were very much against that, even when it was the only solution and the one suggested in their knowledge base! This is good reading that goes through the horrors of such things, as well as their training

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-18 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:27:47 -0400 Brian Shackelford bshackelf...@dns-net.com wrote: Old School Unix = People that KNOW what they are doing. I work with Macs, PC's, Windows, Novell, Mac OS, Linux, Unix, Windows, DOS (Yes some customers still use this), THEOS (anyone else heard of that

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-17 Thread Bob Beck
That is my $1.87 worth - flame me - stone me - whatever if you must - but again it is just one man's opinion. Don't be sorry, that's one of the better and more literate rants I've seen on misc@ in a while.

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-17 Thread Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez
+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 :-) Brian Shackelford escribis: Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that have to call IT to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we are old school UNIX users that don't mind fixing

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-17 Thread Bernd Siggy Brentrup
Sorry Brian to sort of hijack this new thread; until late last night I had no time to follow the original one and you don't attribute your opponent. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:27 -0400, Brian Shackelford wrote: Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be professionals. Not

Re: OT: Old School Unix vs. Modern Day Support Professionals - was (Defending OpenBSD Performance)

2009-09-17 Thread Aaron Mason
First, thank you for a very enlightening rant - the best I've seen since I joined the list. *reaches for toilet paper to blow nose* On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Brian Shackelford bshackelf...@dns-net.com wrote: [snip] You know it is interesting - having been in this industry for over 16