Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:29:37 + Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? I think it should play on all speakers. At least mono streams should play on both speakers. Right now aucat plays mono streams on only one speaker, which I find slightly annoying (SoX plays on both, however it plays at the wrong speed -- I intend to look into this later). If mono streams plays on both (or all) speakers, then so should stereo streams.
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 06:06:41PM +0100, Thomas Pfaff wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:29:37 + Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? I think it should play on all speakers. At least mono streams should play on both speakers. Right now aucat plays mono streams on only one speaker, which I find slightly annoying (SoX plays on both, however it plays at the wrong speed -- I intend to look into this later). If mono streams plays on both (or all) speakers, then so should stereo streams. copying the mono stream to both channels is not going to happen. primarily because mono is really stereo in azalia. mono is emulated, and we need mono emulation for most voip applications. it would be a lot of work and is very likely to cause problems, and I really don't see the benefit. I think, if this were a real issue, there'd be a way to do this in the hardware. some widgets alow l-r swap, but there is no emulate stereo from mono functionality. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? Please excuse me if I have interpreted the question wrongly. I would like to (continue to) have the possibility to mute my laptop's speakers while using headphones. Otherwise other passengers are forced to listen to my music when I use the laptop as a portable music player on a bus or train. Thanks for all your work! Martin
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I can see this being both useful and also annoying, so I'm asking what others' opinions are. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I'd find it surprising that suddenly playing something on the back channels changes where front channel audio goes. This does not match my experience with other stereo equipment, where one must always request 4 or 6 channel stereo.
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On 7 January 2009 c. 00:39:58 Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I can see this being both useful and also annoying, so I'm asking what others' opinions are. For me, it looks like having mono/stereo output on all jacks is better: if you have =4 speakers then you'll have all of them playing when, for example, watching stereo-only video. And this will not differ much from all those 4-5-6... channels enabled video. Otherwise it'll require too much work every time you want to play something: you will have to check number of sound channels in clip and, possibly, play with your videoplayer or aucat(1) options. Much harder and non-obvious way than just muting/unmuting, IMHO. -- Best wishes, Vadim Zhukov
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? idk if this is along the same topic, but what I have wanted to do for a long time is setup a milti room mp3 player in my house, I have 9 rooms all with in wall speakers could I put 3 azailla sound cards (maybe I could do it with less) in a OpenBSD computer, and plug 3 rooms into each sound card and somehow be able to play 9 different MP3's maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here. Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:40:41PM +0100, Martin Toft wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? Please excuse me if I have interpreted the question wrongly. I would like to (continue to) have the possibility to mute my laptop's speakers while using headphones. Otherwise other passengers are forced to listen to my music when I use the laptop as a portable music player on a bus or train. well, hp/spkr are already like this. there are a few ways to mute spkr. not all devices support all methods, but, the obvious one: mixerctl outputs.spkr_mute=on change the direction of spkr to 'none': mixerctl outputs.spkr_dir=none set it's source to something that it muted: mixerctl outputs.mix3_source= # mutes all inputs to mix3 mixerctl outputs.spkr_source=mix3 there may even be others. if your hp jack is capable of sending unsolicited responses then one of the first two is done more or less automaticly when hp is plugged. also some devices do automatic muting completely in hardware. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 03:56:03PM -0600, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? idk if this is along the same topic, but what I have wanted to do for a long time is setup a milti room mp3 player in my house, I have 9 rooms all with in wall speakers could I put 3 azailla sound cards (maybe I could do it with less) in a OpenBSD computer, and plug 3 rooms into each sound card and somehow be able to play 9 different MP3's maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here. aucat can do multi-streaming. that is what you want. and this would explicitely not conflict with multi-streaming because you would need more than one dac for that. I'm not aware of azalia in audio cards, or even two controllers in one mother board, so there is a limit of 5 channels from azalia. the only multi-channel cards supported by OpenBSD that I know of, besides envy(4), are cmpci(4). -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:42:06PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 03:56:03PM -0600, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? idk if this is along the same topic, but what I have wanted to do for a long time is setup a milti room mp3 player in my house, I have 9 rooms all with in wall speakers could I put 3 azailla sound cards (maybe I could do it with less) in a OpenBSD computer, and plug 3 rooms into each sound card and somehow be able to play 9 different MP3's maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here. aucat can do multi-streaming. that is what you want. and this would explicitely not conflict with multi-streaming because you would need more than one dac for that. I'm not aware of azalia in audio cards, or even two controllers in one mother board, so there is a limit of 5 channels from azalia. make that 10 channels or 5 stereo streams the only multi-channel cards supported by OpenBSD that I know of, besides envy(4), are cmpci(4). -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:50:54PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I'd find it surprising that suddenly playing something on the back channels changes where front channel audio goes. well, it doesn't really change that. if there is different front and rear output, that would imply two dacs are in use, and this wouldn't be applied in that case. This does not match my experience with other stereo equipment, where one must always request 4 or 6 channel stereo. from what I've seen, there is usually an option to spread stereo input across all channels. this is pretty much what would be happening. I could make this optional through a mixer control, but it could only be changed when the device is not open for playing/ recoding. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:08:15PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:50:54PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I'd find it surprising that suddenly playing something on the back channels changes where front channel audio goes. well, it doesn't really change that. if there is different front and rear output, that would imply two dacs are in use, and this wouldn't be applied in that case. This does not match my experience with other stereo equipment, where one must always request 4 or 6 channel stereo. from what I've seen, there is usually an option to spread stereo input across all channels. this is pretty much what would be happening. I could make this optional through a mixer control, but it could only be changed when the device is not open for playing/ recoding. and going back to azalia.c r1.52, what was in 4.4-release, all dacs were getting the first channel(s) when 2 were being played, so this would match the behaviour of 4.4-release. I don't recall anyone complaining about output on all channels. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:50:54PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I'd find it surprising that suddenly playing something on the back channels changes where front channel audio goes. well, it doesn't really change that. if there is different front and rear output, that would imply two dacs are in use, and this wouldn't be applied in that case. I think I need more clarification. Suppose I am listening to 2 channel music. Without any options, the new (old?) default will be to play on all output channels. Now I play a short sound on the back channels. Does the music stop? Does the sound blend?
Re: Only one headphone jack working - good or bad?
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 07:59:04PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:50:54PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:29:37PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote: this was deep into another thread, so I'm reposting so it will be seen by more people (hopefully). so azalia users please let your voice be heard. would you find it annoying when playing *only* mono or stereo to have all outputs play the audio, or would you like that? let me clarify a little. the output jacks would still be mutable as they are now, but they would be getting the mono or stereo stream. I'd find it surprising that suddenly playing something on the back channels changes where front channel audio goes. well, it doesn't really change that. if there is different front and rear output, that would imply two dacs are in use, and this wouldn't be applied in that case. I think I need more clarification. Suppose I am listening to 2 channel music. Without any options, the new (old?) default will be to play on all output channels. actually, it will give all dacs the first channel(s) digital data. Now I play a short sound on the back channels. Does the music stop? Does the sound blend? I don't understand what you're saying here. how do you play sound on the back channels? if you are using aucat in a multichannel/multistream configuration, then you are using more than one dac and there is no copying of data. if you are switching from stereo playback to multichannel playback, then the music stops anyway. if you are just muting/unmuting channels, then nothing stops from dac's perspective. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
