Re: Sen. McCaskill – Health Care Listening Sessions
On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: • The PASS ID Act would gut the REAL ID Act and return us to the pre-9/11 standard of identity validation, which allows state DMVs to rubber-stamp the identity documents of driver’s license applicants without verification of their authenticity. Validation without verification was the process that enabled 9/11 hijackers to secure driver’s licenses using fake documents. Will you heed the lessons of 9/11 and oppose the PASS ID Act. The 9/11 hijackers had quite real and legal paperwork. They came here on VALID visas. REAL ID would not help keep them off planes as foreigners visiting this country do not need a driver's license to get on a plane (they have to go home somehow!). REAL ID would allow criminals ONE-STOP SHOPPING to steal our identity information from its centralized 'biometric database' that tens of thousands of government employees will have access to. The data from the REAL ID database would be for sale on the open market within months of implementation and criminals will access the database to create fake data or falsify information that is there, just like the fake ids and Social Security information which criminals manipulate now. REAL ID is a dangerous solution to a problem we do not have. The so-called PASS Act does not go far enough in gutting REAL ID. The Federal government has NO ROLE or authority in regulating drivers' licenses. For the most part, state governments know EXACTLY who the illegal aliens are. The problem is that they are overwhelmed by aliens and do not know what to do. When illegal aliens, even those who have committed violent crimes, are turned over to Immigration, they are often not deported and even if they are, they can come right back over the open border. The fact that states cannot get rid of the illegal aliens has lead to attempts to make sure that they are at least licensing and insuring their vehicles. THAT is why drivers' license checks are so poor. Mandating 'tougher standards' will not solve the problem because people are deliberately not following the rules WE ALREADY HAVE. We have to get rid of the incentive for employers to bring in the illegals, we need to get rid of the welfare state which attracts them, and we need to have the Federal government ACTUALLY DEPORT people who should not be here and who the states routinely hand over to them (and make sure it is harder for them to just walk back across the border). None of this requires any changes to drivers' licenses, a big taxpayer hand-out to companies handling 'biometric data', or the pillaging of our personal privacy rights. We worked hard to pass a bill in MIssouri disallowing participation in REAL ID. We will oppose the same measures if they appear under the guise of the PASS Act. Until the Federal government actually does something with illegal aliens arrested and put in their custody, no amount of documentation or fancy IDs will help the problem. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sen. McCaskill – Health Care Listening Sessions
Well said, Eric. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Eric Vought evou...@pobox.com wrote: On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Fred B. Ellison wrote: • The PASS ID Act would gut the REAL ID Act and return us to the pre-9/11 standard of identity validation, which allows state DMVs to rubber-stamp the identity documents of driver’s license applicants without verification of their authenticity. Validation without verification was the process that enabled 9/11 hijackers to secure driver’s licenses using fake documents. Will you heed the lessons of 9/11 and oppose the PASS ID Act. The 9/11 hijackers had quite real and legal paperwork. They came here on VALID visas. REAL ID would not help keep them off planes as foreigners visiting this country do not need a driver's license to get on a plane (they have to go home somehow!). REAL ID would allow criminals ONE-STOP SHOPPING to steal our identity information from its centralized 'biometric database' that tens of thousands of government employees will have access to. The data from the REAL ID database would be for sale on the open market within months of implementation and criminals will access the database to create fake data or falsify information that is there, just like the fake ids and Social Security information which criminals manipulate now. REAL ID is a dangerous solution to a problem we do not have. The so-called PASS Act does not go far enough in gutting REAL ID. The Federal government has NO ROLE or authority in regulating drivers' licenses. For the most part, state governments know EXACTLY who the illegal aliens are. The problem is that they are overwhelmed by aliens and do not know what to do. When illegal aliens, even those who have committed violent crimes, are turned over to Immigration, they are often not deported and even if they are, they can come right back over the open border. The fact that states cannot get rid of the illegal aliens has lead to attempts to make sure that they are at least licensing and insuring their vehicles. THAT is why drivers' license checks are so poor. Mandating 'tougher standards' will not solve the problem because people are deliberately not following the rules WE ALREADY HAVE. We have to get rid of the incentive for employers to bring in the illegals, we need to get rid of the welfare state which attracts them, and we need to have the Federal government ACTUALLY DEPORT people who should not be here and who the states routinely hand over to them (and make sure it is harder for them to just walk back across the border). None of this requires any changes to drivers' licenses, a big taxpayer hand-out to companies handling 'biometric data', or the pillaging of our personal privacy rights. We worked hard to pass a bill in MIssouri disallowing participation in REAL ID. We will oppose the same measures if they appear under the guise of the PASS Act. Until the Federal government actually does something with illegal aliens arrested and put in their custody, no amount of documentation or fancy IDs will help the problem. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
