Re: proxy front-ends (was: Re: ApacheCon report)

2000-11-03 Thread Joe Schaefer
Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Although I don't have much to add to the conversation, I just wanted to say > that this is one of the most absolutely technically enlightening posts I've > read on the mod_perl list in a while. It's really interesting to finally > clarify this on

Re: proxy front-ends (was: Re: ApacheCon report)

2000-11-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Although I don't have much to add to the conversation, I just wanted to say that this is one of the most absolutely technically enlightening posts I've read on the mod_perl list in a while. It's really interesting to finally clarify this once and for all. Smells like a mod_perl guide addition.

Re: proxy front-ends (was: Re: ApacheCon report)

2000-11-02 Thread Roger Espel Llima
Ask Bjoern Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Llima must do something I don't, because with real world > requests I see a 15-20 to 1 ratio of mod_proxy/mod_perl processes at > "my" site. And that is serving <500byte stuff. and Michael Blakeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> later replied: > Solaris let

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > I still like the idea of having mod_rewrite in a lightweight > front end, and if the request turns out to be static at that > point there isn't much point in dealing with proxying. Or if the request is in the proxy cache... > Has anyone tried putting

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Leslie Mikesell
According to Michael Blakeley: > > > I'm not following. Everyone agrees that we don't want to have big > > > mod_perl processes waiting on slow clients. The question is whether > > > tuning your socket buffer can provide the same benefits as a proxy server > > > and the conclusion so far is

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-11-01 Thread Michael Blakeley
> From: "Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ask Bjoern Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: ApacheCon report > > > > Mr. Llima must do somethi

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Les Mikesell
- Original Message - From: "Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ask Bjoern Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Re: ApacheCon report > > Mr. Llima must do something I don&#

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > [...] > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">http://forum.swarthmore.edu/epigone/modperl/grerdbrerdwul/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Mr. Llima must do something I don't, because with real world > > requests I see a 15-20 to 1 ratio of mod_proxy/mod_perl processes a

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: > > [...] > > - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set > > the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the > > page and move on. This has been discu

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Perrin Harkins wrote: [...] > - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set > the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the > page and move on. This has been discussed here before, notably in this > post: > > >[EMAIL PRO

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:43 AM 10/31/2000 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: >At 04:13 PM 10/31/00 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > >As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive > >headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end > >server. > >Gunther, > >Can you give some details?

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Bill Moseley
At 04:13 PM 10/31/00 +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote: >As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive >headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end >server. Gunther, Can you give some details? I have co-branded template driven content that is dynamica

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > As a bonus, if you write your app smart with cache directive > headers, some of the dynamic content can truly be cached by the front-end > server. We're using this technique now and it really rocks. Great performance. - Perrin

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-31 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 12:00 AM 10/31/2000 -0800, Perrin Harkins wrote: >On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Les Mikesell wrote: > > > Ultimately, I don't see any way around the fact that proxying from one > > > server to another ties up two processes for that time rather than one, so > > > if your bottleneck is the number of proce

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Les Mikesell wrote: > > Ultimately, I don't see any way around the fact that proxying from one > > server to another ties up two processes for that time rather than one, so > > if your bottleneck is the number of processes you can run before running > > out of RAM, this is not

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Les Mikesell
- Original Message - From: "Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Here's what I recall Theo saying (relative to mod_perl): > > - Don't use a proxy server for doling out bytes to slow clients; just set > the buffer on your sockets high enough to allow the server to dump the > page and

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: > Matt Sergeant wrote: > > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: > > > > > In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... > > > > > > Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat > > > application serve

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-30 Thread Tim Sweetman
Matt Sergeant wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: > > > In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... > > > > Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat > > application server (eg. mod_perl), because you don't want memory-heavy > >

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Greg Cope
Matt Sergeant wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: > > > Matt Sergeant wrote: > > > > > > http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt > > > > > > Enjoy. > > > > Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns > > keynote made me chukle ;-) > > > > I eventual

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: > Matt Sergeant wrote: > > > > http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt > > > > Enjoy. > > Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns > keynote made me chukle ;-) > > I eventually could not make the conferance due to a na

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Greg Cope wrote: > Matt Sergeant wrote: > > http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt > > Enjoy. > Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns > I eventually could not make the conferance due to a nasty deadline You missed a lot. > Did Do

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-28 Thread Greg Cope
Matt Sergeant wrote: > > http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt > > Enjoy. Thanks for that Matt, I did enjoy it - IBM's party coninciding with Suns keynote made me chukle ;-) I eventually could not make the conferance due to a nasty deadline Did Doug mention when mod_perl 2.0 would

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Geoffrey Young wrote: > I was really impressed with backhand at Theo's presentation at ApacheCon US > in March. From what I rememeber though, it had serious limitations in the > SSL space. Did Theo touch on that? The converstation I had with him about > it back then was th

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Young
> -Original Message- > From: Matt Sergeant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:37 PM > To: Tim Sweetman > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ApacheCon report > > > On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: > > > In no p

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Geoffrey Young
> -Original Message- > From: David Waldo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: ApacheCon report > > > Do you happen to have the URL for Theo's presentation? > I don'

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Where's the AxKit version? :) At 03:56 PM 10/27/00 +0100, Matt Sergeant wrote: >http://modperl.sergeant.org/ApacheConRep.txt > >Enjoy. > >-- > > > /||** Director and CTO ** >//||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** > // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XP

RE: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread David Waldo
PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ApacheCon report > > > Yes, but the backend mod_perl servers are running backhand. > So you have: > > B B B B > \ | | / > \ \/ / >\|/ > F > > Where all the servers are running mod_backhand, but only F is > publ

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Tim Sweetman wrote: > In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... > > Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat > application server (eg. mod_perl), because you don't want memory-heavy > processes sitting waiting for respons

Re: ApacheCon report

2000-10-27 Thread Tim Sweetman
In no particular order, and splitting hairs some of the time... Sounded like mod_backhand was best used NOT in the same Apache as a phat application server (eg. mod_perl), because you don't want memory-heavy processes sitting waiting for responses. You'd be better off with a separate switching ma