Bjorern's statements below are consistent with my experiences with perl.
Our web sites which number around 10 (that I have been involved with in
some capacity) typically number around 50K lines of code. We use perl
exclusively.
Experience, modularity and change control can go a long way. I have
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Michael Nachbaur wrote:
[...]
> This site will have major traffic, will need to be extended and
> changed (a lot), and needs to scale very well. My experience with
> Perl (as well as what I've heard from other developers) is that Perl
> turns to spaghetti rapidly once you hi
At 02:24 PM 5/26/00 -0300, you wrote:
>Neil Conway writes:
> > I'm probably a novice programmer, at least by the standards of
> > most of the people on this list. I'm 16, and since I haven't taken
> > Computer Science at university yet, I'm a bit lacking in 'formal
> > programming education'. I'd
Neil Conway writes:
> I'm probably a novice programmer, at least by the standards of
> most of the people on this list. I'm 16, and since I haven't taken
> Computer Science at university yet, I'm a bit lacking in 'formal
> programming education'. I'd rather not form bad habits - is there
> any adv
Randal L. Schwartz writes:
[snip]
> Or, I hesitate to say this here, but it's accurate: try Python.
> Decent object model... just an overly verbose syntax and that horrific
> "you must indent your code the way Guido wanted or Guido will make a
> visit to your house" indenting style.
What about
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Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: High-volume mod_perl based ecommerce sites?
> >I'm probably a novice programmer, at least by the standards of
> >most of the people on this list. I'm 16, and since I haven't taken
> >Computer Science at uni
At 09:50 AM 5/26/00 -0400, Drew Taylor wrote:
>Jason Bodnar wrote:
> >
> > Probably the best way to learn good OO Perl is to learn Java or C++. As
> > Gunther said, other languages are much more strict so they force you to
> > write good OO stuff. I had been programming with Perl 4 before Java cam
> "Jason" == Jason Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jason> Probably the best way to learn good OO Perl is to learn Java or C++.
No. Gawd no. Java and C++ are "hybrid" OO languages, with some
"real" objects and some "primitive" non-objects. You learn evil
habits that way. (Of course, Pe
> "Jason" == Jason Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jason> Definitely read the perltoot (Tom's OO Tutorial).
And don't forget "perlboot" in the 5.6 distribution, aimed more at the
"I know some Perl but nothing about OO crowd". The approach I took in
perlboot is the one that Damian would h
Jason Bodnar wrote:
>
> Probably the best way to learn good OO Perl is to learn Java or C++. As
> Gunther said, other languages are much more strict so they force you to
> write good OO stuff. I had been programming with Perl 4 before Java came
> out and had never done any OO stuff. I actually ar
Jason Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Definitely read the perltoot (Tom's OO Tutorial). I've heard alot of good
> things about Damian Conway's OO Perl book but I haven't read it myself. The
> advanced perl programming book has a nice section on OO. But, learning OO
> in a Java or C++ contex
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Jason Bodnar wrote:
> Definitely read the perltoot (Tom's OO Tutorial). I've heard alot of good
> things about Damian Conway's OO Perl book but I haven't read it myself.
Damian's book is the book to end all perl books in my opinion - I wouldn't
dream of hiring anyone who has
[ date ] 2000/05/25 | Thursday | 10:28 PM
[ author ] Jason Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Probably the best way to learn good OO Perl is to learn Java or C++. As
> Gunther said, other languages are much more strict so they force you to
> write good OO stuff.
I'd hesitate to push C++ on a begin
>I'm probably a novice programmer, at least by the standards of
>most of the people on this list. I'm 16, and since I haven't taken
>Computer Science at university yet, I'm a bit lacking in 'formal
>programming education'. I'd rather not form bad habits - is there
>any advice anyone can give me on
On May 25, Barry Robison wrote:
> You may want to check out http://www.opensales.org/html/source.shtml,
> rather than starting from scratch .. I haven't used it, but it's
> a Perl based GPL commerce solution.
Every time I look at this code, my brain hurts.
Especially crap like this:
## nicedeci
On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:20:35AM +0800, Gunther Birznieks wrote:
> Well, yeah, C and Java can suffer the same problems as Perl, but because
> Java is so constrained as a language, the design of the language has a
> built in constraint. With Perl you can literally do ANYTHING, and to
> program
At 10:51 AM 5/25/00 -0500, Jason Bodnar wrote:
>On 25-May-2000 Michael Nachbaur wrote:
> > This site will have major traffic, will need to be extended and changed (a
> > lot), and needs to scale very well. My experience with Perl (as well
> as what
> > I've heard from other developers) is that P
Perrin Harkins wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 May 2000, Barry Robison wrote:
> > You may want to check out http://www.opensales.org/html/source.shtml,
> > rather than starting from scratch .. I haven't used it, but it's a
> > Perl based GPL commerce solution.
>
> Or you may not. It doesn't support mod_p
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Barry Robison wrote:
> You may want to check out http://www.opensales.org/html/source.shtml,
> rather than starting from scratch .. I haven't used it, but it's a
> Perl based GPL commerce solution.
Or you may not. It doesn't support mod_perl. I'd suggest looking at
Tallyman
You may want to check out http://www.opensales.org/html/source.shtml, rather than
starting from scratch .. I haven't used it, but it's a Perl based GPL commerce
solution.
--
Barry Robison - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The bite of conscience. The bite of conscience, like the bite of a dog into
a stone,
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On Thu, 25 May 2000, Michael Nachbaur wrote:
> I'm in the process of designing an ecommerce system, and have several options on the
>table. Since I love perl/mod_perl/apache, my knee-jerk reaction is to write it in
>perl. However, in the best interest of the project, I need to loo
The United Nation's IMIS Project definitely exceeded 100,000
lines of Perl. If you throw in all the utilites and admin
stuff, the total probably tops 200,000. The design was decent
enough that it was rare that any particular module was
completlely overhauled or found to be unncessary. IMIS
man
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Jason Bodnar wrote:
> > Could someone also give me a quick list (or a link to where I can find a
> > list) of some high-profile sites that use Perl, and pull it off?
>
> http://www.slashdot.org
Careful with this - it's a high traffic site, yes. But it doesn't exactly
pull
On 25-May-2000 Michael Nachbaur wrote:
> This site will have major traffic, will need to be extended and changed (a
> lot), and needs to scale very well. My experience with Perl (as well as what
> I've heard from other developers) is that Perl turns to spaghetti rapidly
> once you hit the 10,000
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