Re[2]: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-05-03 Thread Ilya Obshadko
Hello Matt, ÷åòâåðã, 27 àïðåëÿ 2000 ã., you wrote: >> doing - and the TCP listen queue will hold a few more >> connections if you are slightly short of backends. MS> Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? I don't think so, at least for "accelerator" applicat

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-05-03 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Vivek Khera wrote: > > > "DH" == Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > DH> I'm currently arguing about this very thing with my BOFH - I think we > DH> should have, effectively, an SSI apache and a mod_perl apache, he's > > I tend to call mod_perl scripts from my SSI's, so it makes

Re: modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-05-01 Thread Vivek Khera
> "GS" == Greg Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: GS> 3) mod_proxy is poorly designed and poorly implemented. The main GS>deficiency is that each process is responsible for opening and GS>maintaining its connection to the backend. This defeats GS>keep-alives completely and forces

Re: modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-28 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On 29 Apr 2000, Greg Stark wrote: > Despite these concerns I've been using mod_proxy myself and it does work. I'm > planning to change to mod_backhand though which implements 3) but it's new > code. Let me know how that works out for you. I tried to implement backhand, but it simply did not hav

Re: modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-28 Thread shane
Yep all these things are true. Well, the part about being poorly designed is wrong, it just was designed well, then hacked to death :-), I guess I'm splitting hairs, but the essential design is easy to follow. I picked up the entire module in a just a few hours. (I just think it isn't fair to

Re: modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-28 Thread Greg Stark
A few lessons on this arena: 1) Move your pictures to another server *even if you're using a proxy* Search back in the archives for my previous post on this topic. 2) If you use mod_proxy you can give it the same web root and have it serve some static objects itself instead of having to c

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-28 Thread Vivek Khera
> "DH" == Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DH> I'm currently arguing about this very thing with my BOFH - I think we DH> should have, effectively, an SSI apache and a mod_perl apache, he's I tend to call mod_perl scripts from my SSI's, so it makes sense for me to keep them on the

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-28 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Vivek Khera wrote: > > > "MS" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> doing - and the TCP listen queue will hold a few more > >> connections if you are slightly short of backends. > > MS> Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? > > Not being f

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Michael hall
On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:29:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Matt & List, > > Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? > > > > This is a good question..., the only answer I've come up with thus far > from reading the new-httpd devel list is compelling

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Perrin Harkins
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: > Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? There's a big study of proxy servers posted at http://bakeoff.ircache.net/N02/. There are some expensive ones with dedicated hardware that perform well. Of course, there are tr

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Vivek Khera
> "MS" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> doing - and the TCP listen queue will hold a few more >> connections if you are slightly short of backends. MS> Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? Not being familiar with "Oops", I can say that I

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Leslie Mikesell
According to Matt Sergeant: > Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? I've run squid as an alternative and did not see any serious differences except that the caching was defeated about 10% of the time even on images, apparently because the clients were hitting

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Vivek Khera
> "s" == shane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: s> Okay, these are my thoughts, what do you think? I just set upper bounds on the number of mod_perl processes to be about 3/4 of RAM based on the size of the typical httpd with everything loaded, and then I set the maximum number of front-ends to

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread shane
> Right, but the difference with Oops is it's a threaded server, and while I > couldn't get it to work (the author appears to be Russian, and his idea of > documentation is "oops.cfg is easy to understand. Just edit it"), it looks > like it should be extremely quick, even if serving static images

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Matt & List, > > Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? > > > > This is a good question..., the only answer I've come up with thus far > from reading the new-httpd devel list is compelling though. Here's > what

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread shane
Matt & List, > Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? > This is a good question..., the only answer I've come up with thus far from reading the new-httpd devel list is compelling though. Here's what people there said in response to folks trying to kill mod_p

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-27 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > According to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > So, overall..., I think that you should consider how many modperl > > processes you want completely seperately from how many modproxy > > processes you want. > > Apache takes care of these details for you. Al

Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-26 Thread Leslie Mikesell
According to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > So, overall..., I think that you should consider how many modperl > processes you want completely seperately from how many modproxy > processes you want. Apache takes care of these details for you. All you need to do is configure MaxClients around the absolut

[RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...

2000-04-26 Thread shane
Modperlers, Since we've had a little spirited debate on this issue..., I think it might be nice to go into some detail on this. Well... here are my ideas. As Perrin has brought up, if your doing a lot of queries, and that's the primary focus of your perl scripts, then parallelism is key. Howeve