Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-29 Thread CooSoft Support
Thomas Keller wrote: Am 28.05.2010 15:07, schrieb Philipp Gröschler: On 28.05.2010 10:23, CooSoft Support wrote: I couldn't agree more with Thomas's point about Monotone dying if we are not careful. It's a psychological thing. `Oh it's only at 0.xxx - still unstable'. Sure it's

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-29 Thread CooSoft Support
Philipp Gröschler wrote: On 28.05.2010 10:23, CooSoft Support wrote: I couldn't agree more with Thomas's point about Monotone dying if we are not careful. It's a psychological thing. `Oh it's only at 0.xxx - still unstable'. Sure it's psychological and nowadays in the age of OSS,

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-29 Thread CooSoft Support
One slight deviating point about breaking BC with au stdio... I feel what ever applications we provide that use it should strive to cope with BC breakages. E.g. Monotone:AutomateStdio works from 0.35 to the current release as does mtn-browse which relies on it. Hopefully though with the

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-29 Thread Derek Scherger
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Derek Scherger de...@echologic.com wrote: As I've announced earlier I'd like to start the machinery for the next monotone release now that the database management branch has landed. So if you have anything you'd also really like to see in the next monotone

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Thomas Keller
Am 27.05.2010 18:54, schrieb Jack Lloyd: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 09:38:32AM +0200, Thomas Keller wrote: Apropos release - a fellow developer reminded me that we *might* want to set a proper release number for the next release (you know what I'm talking about, 1.0...) - given the fact that

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread CooSoft Support
I couldn't agree more with Thomas's point about Monotone dying if we are not careful. It's a psychological thing. `Oh it's only at 0.xxx - still unstable'. We have all done that at some point when looking at rival projects as an end user in a hurry to get something up and running. It's only if

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time - au stdio update

2010-05-28 Thread Stephen Leake
CooSoft Support supp...@coosoft.plus.com writes: I looked at the release notes and documentation regarding au stdio changes and read up on the new update command. Virtually all other au commands if not all simply mention what comes out on stdout by implication (apart from the barfing to

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Philipp Gröschler
On 28.05.2010 10:23, CooSoft Support wrote: I couldn't agree more with Thomas's point about Monotone dying if we are not careful. It's a psychological thing. `Oh it's only at 0.xxx - still unstable'. Sure it's psychological and nowadays in the age of OSS, versioning schemes or rather the

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Stephen Leake
Thomas Keller m...@thomaskeller.biz writes: After all we should all agree that monotone has been proven stable for many, many versions now and that we (the original and today's developers) should be proud of it, so proud that we should dare to put a proper version label on this darn thing.

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Thomas Keller
Am 28.05.2010 15:07, schrieb Philipp Gröschler: On 28.05.2010 10:23, CooSoft Support wrote: I couldn't agree more with Thomas's point about Monotone dying if we are not careful. It's a psychological thing. `Oh it's only at 0.xxx - still unstable'. Sure it's psychological and nowadays in the

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Derek Scherger
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Thomas Keller m...@thomaskeller.biz wrote: I agree that continueing the current versioning scheme, just with a prefixed 1., won't make much sense any longer, but I'm against complicating this too much. A new easy rule for now could be: 1) if a release only

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-28 Thread Ethan Blanton
Derek Scherger spake unto us the following wisdom: 1) if a release only consists of bug fixes or has small, not BC-breaking improvements (esp. in respect to automate), raise the patch release 2) if a release has bigger improvements or breaks BC, raise the minor version 3) if a major

[Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Keller
Hi all! As I've announced earlier I'd like to start the machinery for the next monotone release now that the database management branch has landed. So if you have anything you'd also really like to see in the next monotone version, please finish it up and merge it into mainline (I remember we

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time - au stdio update

2010-05-27 Thread CooSoft Support
Sounds like a great idea to me, especially the 1.0 bit :-)). However one minor point about the impending release (what ever version it may be) :-(... I was looking at the changes for the next release and noticed the au update command. Great, but why does it's progress messages go

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time - au stdio update

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Keller
Am 27.05.2010 10:22, schrieb CooSoft Support: Sounds like a great idea to me, especially the 1.0 bit :-)). However one minor point about the impending release (what ever version it may be) :-(... I was looking at the changes for the next release and noticed the au update command.

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time - au stdio update

2010-05-27 Thread Thomas Keller
Am 27.05.2010 12:56, schrieb Stephen Leake: Thomas Keller m...@thomaskeller.biz writes: Am 27.05.2010 10:22, schrieb CooSoft Support: Sounds like a great idea to me, especially the 1.0 bit :-)). However one minor point about the impending release (what ever version it may be) :-(...

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Derek Scherger
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Thomas Keller m...@thomaskeller.biz wrote: Hi all! As I've announced earlier I'd like to start the machinery for the next monotone release now that the database management branch has landed. So if you have anything you'd also really like to see in the next

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 09:38:32AM +0200, Thomas Keller wrote: Apropos release - a fellow developer reminded me that we *might* want to set a proper release number for the next release (you know what I'm talking about, 1.0...) - given the fact that we're still recognized as alpha software in

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 12:54 -0400, Jack Lloyd wrote: While 1.0 is good for a public image perspective, is it something that you want to lock yourself into? As an user of Monotone, I would just like to mention my thoughts. I'd prefer a move to the major.minor.patch model, with some clear rules

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time - au stdio update

2010-05-27 Thread CooSoft Support
Thomas Keller wrote: Am 27.05.2010 12:56, schrieb Stephen Leake: Thomas Keller m...@thomaskeller.biz writes: Am 27.05.2010 10:22, schrieb CooSoft Support: Sounds like a great idea to me, especially the 1.0 bit :-)). However one minor point about the impending release

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Zbigniew Zagórski
Hi, 2010/5/27 Jack Lloyd ll...@randombit.net I can think of a few things that might potentially happen that might be harder to pull off post-1.0:  - s/netxx/asio/ AFAIR, it's only implementation detail. Do we wan't to change netsync protocol together with asio introduction ?  - netsync

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM +0200, Zbigniew Zag??rski wrote: Hi, 2010/5/27 Jack Lloyd ll...@randombit.net I can think of a few things that might potentially happen that might be harder to pull off post-1.0: ??- s/netxx/asio/ AFAIR, it's only implementation detail. Do we wan't

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Timothy Brownawell
On 05/27/2010 06:08 PM, Jack Lloyd wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:26:22AM +0200, Zbigniew Zag??rski wrote: Hi, 2010/5/27 Jack Lloydll...@randombit.net I can think of a few things that might potentially happen that might be harder to pull off post-1.0: ??- s/netxx/asio/ AFAIR, it's only

Re: [Monotone-devel] Release time

2010-05-27 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 18:47 -0500, Timothy Brownawell wrote: Is that a reasonable timeframe for a major version change, or are they supposed to last longer than that? I say, make your own time table. If you want to release a new major version every three months, that's fine with me. The main