Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Hear, hear I agree totally. It's risking consigning to anyone. I also think if you're going to go through all the trouble of setting up a photo shooting situation for posters, why not list them on ebay yourself? At the same time we had sent posters to Heritage, we were selling Star Wars posters and memorabilia on ebay and got better prices than at Heritage's signature auction. From: Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From:Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Heritage has a pattern of offering to donate the value of contested good to charity. It reduces a corporations tax by making a charitable contribution... assuming the contribution goes through. Here are some links to show other instances where Heritage made offers... i.e.: I spoke to Steve Ivy one of the owners of the company. Steve said that he would reduce the seller's fee on the consigned items as long as I did not bad mouth his company. I told him that my interest was simply to point out that one of his employees made a mistake and that his company should be held liable. Steve then reneged on his committment to reduce the seller's fee. See for yourself. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26threadid=803513 http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/heritage-auctions-arkansas-c310316.html http://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/heritage-auction-gal/heritage-auction-galleries-m-bjc85.htm http://www.ripoffreport.com/sports-cards-memorabilia/heritage-auction/heritage-auction-beware-of-th-e76fc.htm http://www.bbb.org/dallas/business-reviews/auctioneers/heritage-auctions-in-dallas-tx-23003944/complaints From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory If you are a scammer and the only beneficiary of your scam was the Red Cross, you are less inclined to try the same thing again. very well put Phillip ps: I do not believe that Geraldine is doing this. I believe she is angry lashing out at her apparent source of anger pps: I also think that Geraldine isn't looking at the issue objectively.. i.e. - Geraldine is not accepting any responsibility on her own for whatever mistakes she may have made in not preparing her own inventory Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? ** ** I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. ** ** Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. ** ** If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person.** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Duenas *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory ** ** Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t g ood enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences.*** * Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos *From:* Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory ** ** I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making
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But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed
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Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.netki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 tel:512%20479%206680512 479 6680 http://www.movieart.netwww.movieart.net mobile tel:512%20589%205112512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items
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If you are a scammer and the only beneficiary of your scam was the Red Cross, you are less inclined to try the same thing again. very well put Phillip ps: I do not believe that Geraldine is doing this. I believe she is angry lashing out at her apparent source of anger pps: I also think that Geraldine isn't looking at the issue objectively.. i.e. - Geraldine is not accepting any responsibility on her own for whatever mistakes she may have made in not preparing her own inventory Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Think Geraldine's been referring to the Van Hammersveld Get Carter, which gets over 3k. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Jun 2012, at 19:34, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com wrote: Bruce.. I don't know that the two posters she's talking about are worth $1000 combined. Heritage could just be looking to defuse the situation and they do after all at least get to reduce a tax implication with a tax-deductable donation At 11:30 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: But why are they offering to donate thousands of dollars to charity if they did nothing wrong? On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net wrote: I don't think I could improve upon what Rich has posted here. It is, at best, an unfortunate situation for all concerned. But I don't think anything helpful is further served by just beating this very expired horse. Perhaps I could post a one sheet for LEGEND OF THE LOST? Kirby Kirby McDaniel MovieArt Original Film Posters P.O. Box 4419 Austin TX 78765-4419 512 479 6680 www.movieart.net mobile 512 589 5112 On Jun 5, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art wrote: Like Bruce, I keep any consignments segregated from all other stock. I do this because in my huge warehouse, it is too easy to mix material otherwise. I also do not give an inventory of material received, as it would be impossible for me to give up the time needed to do so. I simply include a sheet of sold items with any payments and I sell all of any consignment within one auction for simplification However, nearly every consignment I have ever received came with an inventory, and it matches my sales sheets. Ergo, there are no complaints Concerning any such complaints, like the one Geraldine has with Heritage: the facts are that Geraldine says she sent some things, but she never included an inventory Heritage says they did not get them this is a classic case of she said, he said and if Geraldine were to sue Heritage (and attorney Sean will say for sure), her case would be thrown out because she has no kind of proof at all of posters she sent to anyone and Heritage says they didn't get such posters in her consignment. I can imagine that people get confused all the time, and confusion at times leads to false claims I'm not saying Geraldine is or is not making such claims, as I have no way of knowing for certain one way or the other. however, Geraldine is clearly attempting to damage Rudy Heritage in some fashion by her continuing accusations, and while her claims of consignments being lost is not provable, there can be no doubt that if Rudy Heritage wanted to sue Geraldine for libelous claims, they would have a much more viable claim than Geraldine has of lost posters Rich At 10:15 AM 6/5/2012, Bruce Hershenson wrote: That is why I tell our consignors that an inventory is for THEIR benefit and not ours. We actually DO keep all consignors' items carefully segregated until they are marked in three different ways, so that we have a triple-check system that results in our not losing items. We HAVE had a small number of minor items misplaced over the years, and we have paid those people for those few items (and when they were later located, as they always are, we have offered to let the owner give the money back and have the items, or we auction them as our consignment). I still insist that if this were true, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts ddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust
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@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey mailto:jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly .you just canât ship a buncch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best âTrust no one.â From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU[ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself
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real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey mailto:jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a buncch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.†From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU[ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them
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, there would be at least several others with the same complaint, and others with legal actions pending. It makes no sense to be a one-time occurrence, unless there was an employee stealing, but then they would continue, unless they were discovered and fired. Bruce On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dale Dilts mailto:ddilts...@mchsi.comddilts...@mchsi.com wrote: I must be missing exactly how taking an inventory before sending would actually help? I could write up a nice long list of stuff, only send half of it, and then claim they lost it, how much sense does that make and in court who exactly is going to win that battle. Making a list and taking pictures might make you feel real safe, but sending no list at all covers you just the same. Yes it would allow you to reconcile your list against a sales list, but other than that, pretty worthless as there is no proof what actually ever enters the mail stream or once opened what is done with it. If you are going to consign anything, you simply take the risk of your property leaving your hands with potentially no return. Like it or not, trust is still a must in any business that is not done person to person. From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Carlos Duenas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:55 AM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Hi all, I guess it would be sad to agree that trust no one is the best rule. I have send posters to Christies in London and took the time to make an inventory (because there were only a few items they wanted, they only took posters worth over US$250). Even sending the inventory which was very small they didn´t send the inventory of what they received and misplaced one of my posters which they found after I complained because they did not add it to their following auction. On the other hand, I have sent hundreds of posters and lobby cards to Bruce Hershenson, I asked if I needed to send an inventory; they said no, I trusted them and so far they haven´t misplaced anything (and not making inventories has saved me many hours of work). To be frank I don´t have the memory to know if everything I had sent to them has been auction or is being held for a later auction, but I trust them and if there were item that were special (valuable) I would remember them the same way Geraldine remembers her good posters that are missing. Just to add more salt to this e-mail I would like to share an experience that I find funny: the same poster I sent to Christies in London, a 1964 NM My Fair Lady(which sold for about US$800), I offered to Christies in NY and they said they didn´t want it because of its low value, nevertheless, a few days later a man from that auction wrote to me saying that he would buy the poster from me if I wanted. I also offer that same poster to Heritage a few years ago and they said the poster wasn´t good enough for their auction. I very much appreciate Geraldine sharing with everyone what happened to her, it think is fantastic and cheap learning from others´ experiences. Mainly for ethical reasons I think auctions should have standard procedure to treat all customers in the same careful and respectful manner no matter their age or origin or if they are dealers or collector but also for their reputation because there are groups of people like us (mopoers) that would share the good and the bad for the benefit of all. Best, Carlos From: Walton, Jeffrey mailto:jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a buncch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.†From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU[ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUmailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUMoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm
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This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine.My goodness, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless of any errors she may have made (and it appears she has made a few) - it's also clear that a WAY-too-disproportionate number of rebuking' responses have come dealers - with only a few posts from collectors like Carlos, who has no dog in this race, yet who applauds the discussion of things that sometimes go awry in the hobby. If you are tired of this thread and/or want it to die on its own, stop responding. But some of you guys are unreal. (And geez, it's always the alpha-males who feel compelled to defend, rationalize or process the thoughts and actions of a guy most of us like - while simultaneously doing the same in an almost entirely adverse way against an outsider. The ratio of dealers posting their thoughts about consumer-related problems - feels like a rigged card deck that's stacked 10-to-1 against collectors. Lurkers can't feel good about the way this has played out on MoPo. And I'd bet more than a few who've quietly read some of the posts thus far - are taking mental notes of who they will buy, sell or consign their very valuable collections in the future. -d. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:10:29 -0500 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I guess I just come at this from a different perspective, having never been in court or been sued or been arrested. I would not pay someone for something I did not do, but I guess that is just me. On the other hand, if Geraldine is simply lying, WHY is she doing so? What is she gaining by this? This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washigton, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. Bruce Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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David I think you have mis-characterized what is going on this thread somewhat No one has accused Geraldine of anything, or at least I certainly haven't. Why has anyone other than Grey commented? well that's simple.. Geraldine has posted to a public forum with many members. I have seen both collectors and dealers comment and Grey himself commented to one of her earlier posts. Most posts have been pretty fair to both sides. I.E. none of us can know if Geraldine did or did not send the posters she declares are missing, or if she mistakenly stating that she has, not knowing these posters will be found at a later date in their home. In any case, her claim has a hard way to go. She stated pretty simply she got $11,000 for some poster that she did not know that Charlie sent or she sent or who knows who sent (as some much of her posts are somewhat confusing), so that says to me that she really isn't sure on any level what was sent as she thinks she sent some valuable poster, but had no idea she had actually sent a different and more valuable poster. She is also here, on MoPo, specifically for the purpose it seems of disparaging Rudy Heritage. Her posts are not benign by any stretch of the imagination and and it has been getting repeated continually for several weeks. I think it's only natural that quite a few people will chime in on such posts as they are designed to elicit a response from people. My suggestion to Geraldine would be that if she feels she has enough proof to show she did indeed send these posters, that she go to the forum that would produce a judgement in her favor: the courts system, or via direct negotiation with Heritage and that posting her problem here to MoPo would therefore not be the correct forum for her dispute. However I do not agree with some other people that she should not post on MoPo her dispute. She certainly can, but she will get a response from someone of course. Of course, we actually already know that she has negotiated with Heritage on the issue, Heritage disputes her claim, but offered to give to the charity of her choice the proposed value of these posters. We know all this not because Grey posted it, but because Geraldine posted it. None the less, it is apparent that Geraldine feels that she and not some charity should get the money for these posters that she says she sent, are not present on any inventory, and that Heritage says they did not receive them and it feels unseemly to them to pay her thousands of dollars for posters they don't believe she sent them. How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? At 03:42 PM 6/5/2012, you wrote: This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine. My goodness, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless of any errors she may have made (and it appears she has made a few) - it's also clear that a WAY-too-disproportionate number of rebuking' responses have come dealers - with only a few posts from collectors like Carlos, who has no dog in this race, yet who applauds the discussion of things that sometimes go awry in the hobby. If you are tired of this thread and/or want it to die on its own, stop responding. But some of you guys are unreal. (And geez, it's always the alpha-males who feel compelled to defend, rationalize or process the thoughts and actions of a guy most of us like - while simultaneously doing the same in an almost entirely adverse way against an outsider. The ratio of dealers posting their thoughts about consumer-related problems - feels like a rigged card deck that's stacked 10-to-1 against collectors. Lurkers can't feel good about the way this has played out on MoPo. And I'd bet more than a few who've quietly read some of the posts thus far - are taking mental notes of who they will buy, sell or consign their very valuable collections in the future. -d. -Original Message- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:10:29 -0500 From: brucehershen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU I guess I just come at this from a different
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RETAIL CUSTOMERS about those same dealers. Whether we're talking about posters, refrigerators or used cars, this principle rarely changes and is practically etched in stone. - d. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:50:41 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU David I think you have mis-characterized what is going on this thread somewhat No one has accused Geraldine of anything, or at least I certainly haven't. Why has anyone other than Grey commented? well that's simple.. Geraldine has posted to a public forum with many members. I have seen both collectors and dealers comment and Grey himself commented to one of her earlier posts. Most posts have been pretty fair to both sides. I.E. none of us can know if Geraldine did or did not send the posters she declares are missing, or if she mistakenly stating that she has, not knowing these posters will be found at a later date in their home. In any case, her claim has a hard way to go. She stated pretty simply she got $11,000 for some poster that she did not know that Charlie sent or she sent or who knows who sent (as some much of her posts are somewhat confusing), so that says to me that she really isn't sure on any level what was sent as she thinks she sent some valuable poster, but had no idea she had actually sent a different and more valuable poster. She is also here, on MoPo, specifically for the purpose it seems of disparaging Rudy Heritage. Her posts are not benign by any stretch of the imagination and and it has been getting repeated continually for several weeks. I think it's only natural that quite a few people will chime in on such posts as they are designed to elicit a response from people. My suggestion to Geraldine would be that if she feels she has enough proof to show she did indeed send these posters, that she go to the forum that would produce a judgement in her favor: the courts system, or via direct negotiation with Heritage and that posting her problem here to MoPo would therefore not be the correct forum for her dispute. However I do not agree with some other people that she should not post on MoPo her dispute. She certainly can, but she will get a response from someone of course. Of course, we actually already know that she has negotiated with Heritage on the issue, Heritage disputes her claim, but offered to give to the charity of her choice the proposed value of these posters. We know all this not because Grey posted it, but because Geraldine posted it. None the less, it is apparent that Geraldine feels that she and not some charity should get the money for these posters that she says she sent, are not present on any inventory, and that Heritage says they did not receive them and it feels unseemly to them to pay her thousands of dollars for posters they don't believe she sent them. How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:42:52 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine.My goodness, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless of any errors she may have made (and it appears she has made a few) - it's also clear that a WAY-too-disproportionate number of rebuking' responses have come dealers - with only a few posts from collectors like Carlos, who has no dog in this race, yet who applauds the discussion of things that sometimes go awry in the hobby. If you are tired of this thread and/or want it to die on its own, stop responding. But some of you guys are unreal. (And geez, it's always the alpha-males who feel compelled to defend, rationalize or process the thoughts and actions of a guy most of us like - while simultaneously doing the same in an almost entirely adverse way against an outsider. The ratio of dealers posting their thoughts about consumer-related problems - feels like a rigged card deck that's stacked 10-to-1 against collectors. Lurkers can't feel good about the way this has played out on MoPo. And I'd bet
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, in my view, so ridiculously have. You may talk about this publicly all you want, but you should carefully weigh its impact on your own reputation as dealers (as it appears it is mostly dealers rushing to Heritage's defense) - as well as its impact on the squabbling parties involved. * In David vs. Goliath battles, I never dismiss the possibility that the little guy, despite everything - may still win. In the disproportional court of opinion at MoPo - it appears Geraldine is wrong and Heritage is right. But in the court of public opinion OUTSIDE of MoPo, I wouldn't be surprised if consumers would FEEL THE OPPOSITE, regardless of the facts. At the end of the day, favorable testimonials from dealers about other dealers - DON'T MATTER TO CONSUMERS - as much as favorable testimonials from RETAIL CUSTOMERS about those same dealers. Whether we're talking about posters, refrigerators or used cars, this principle rarely changes and is practically etched in stone. - d. * -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 17:50:41 -0700 From: sa...@comic-art.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU David I think you have mis-characterized what is going on this thread somewhat No one has accused Geraldine of anything, or at least I certainly haven't. Why has anyone other than Grey commented? well that's simple.. Geraldine has posted to a public forum with many members. I have seen both collectors and dealers comment and Grey himself commented to one of her earlier posts. Most posts have been pretty fair to both sides. I.E. none of us can know if Geraldine did or did not send the posters she declares are missing, or if she mistakenly stating that she has, not knowing these posters will be found at a later date in their home. In any case, her claim has a hard way to go. She stated pretty simply she got $11,000 for some poster that she did not know that Charlie sent or she sent or who knows who sent (as some much of her posts are somewhat confusing), so that says to me that she really isn't sure on any level what was sent as she thinks she sent some valuable poster, but had no idea she had actually sent a different and more valuable poster. She is also here, on MoPo, specifically for the purpose it seems of disparaging Rudy Heritage. Her posts are not benign by any stretch of the imagination and and it has been getting repeated continually for several weeks. I think it's only natural that quite a few people will chime in on such posts as they are designed to elicit a response from people. My suggestion to Geraldine would be that if she feels she has enough proof to show she did indeed send these posters, that she go to the forum that would produce a judgement in her favor: the courts system, or via direct negotiation with Heritage and that posting her problem here to MoPo would therefore not be the correct forum for her dispute. However I do not agree with some other people that she should not post on MoPo her dispute. She certainly can, but she will get a response from someone of course. Of course, we actually already know that she has negotiated with Heritage on the issue, Heritage disputes her claim, but offered to give to the charity of her choice the proposed value of these posters. We know all this not because Grey posted it, but because Geraldine posted it. None the less, it is apparent that Geraldine feels that she and not some charity should get the money for these posters that she says she sent, are not present on any inventory, and that Heritage says they did not receive them and it feels unseemly to them to pay her thousands of dollars for posters they don't believe she sent them. How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? -- * Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:42:52 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU * *This seems like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, with the entire machine lined up against her. Too bad this isn't a movie. It sounds like she will have to give up and take her losses (if indeed she had any). You can't fight the machine.* *My goodness**, no kidding. I wish people would stop extrapolating the motives of and/or speaking on behalf of Heritage. If it wants, it can chime in. All of these testimonials are sickening. I think Grey is a fine guy, but it's wild to read the genuflecting posts which give Heritage all the benefit of the doubt while casting Geraldine as a senile loon. On one hand people stop short of calling her a liar, but regardless
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That's a pretty funny video, Bruce. Nelson Eddy as an historical Andy Hardy rallying people to a cause that at first, no one wants to join. Almost like High Noon but without the same results. (Too bad Gary Cooper couldn't sing.) Thanks for posting! I try to be fair but Rich publicly called me out by name on MoPo (which is pretty rare) - so I decided for a moment whether to let my older post stand - or to respond directly to his challenge about fairness and issues relating to libel, the latter I know a whole lot about from personal experience. As someone else pointed out to me privately, ...you're right, people just pile on without knowing particularly what they are really talking about. Because these same people can only get their 'facts' from what is posted here. That's a perfect reflection of how I feel about this whole squabble. -d. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:12:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu I was very impressed that Brek joined this fray, with nothing to gain whatsoever, Obviously he was motivated to post because he saw a person who has been repeated dumped on, solely for having alleged that they were treated in a certain way, and since he believes he had the same experience with the very same party, he felt compelled to write himself (and oddly, no one has challenged HIS version of the facts or HIS competence). Now, when this person is scorned yet again, David feels compelled to make a stand as well! I no longer think this resembles Mr, Smith Goes to Washington. It is far more similar to a classic scene from another movie, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReM (please watch it through!) Bruce Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:46:37 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you. Your next-door-neighbor who's not in the hobby might ask, however, why would an offer be extended in the absence of an infraction? We know the tactical reasons why legal settlements are reached - but such reasons remain fuzzy to the outside world. * Do I think it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposely libel Heritage without repercussions? These are YOUR words and YOUR opinion that she has committed libel - without you yourself physically being in Dallas nor at the location of Geraldine's home where the aforementioned dispute began. Your litmus test for libel is different from mine. Grey is arguably a public figure who is published routinely in articles circulated in the hobby. Therefore, a libel judgement (written) vs. a slander judgment (spoken) against a public figure - requires, 1) truth as determined by a third party, and 2) malicious execution with intent to harm from a person who DOES NOT view himself/herself, a) as being aggrieved in some way, nor, b) as suffering a material loss. To prove malice in a libel case involving a public figure requires doing harm just for the sake of doing harm - with NO other reason such as seeking a material remedy. Internet extortion is just as hard to prove as libel involving a public figure. This opinion comes from a person (me) - who has been threatened with libel and slander lawsuits more than 30 times during my news career - and who has never been successfully taken to court nor bled to death in legal fees. You've seen the stuff I write. I sometimes take things pretty far before I stop short to prevent getting hung by my own leash
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David I was after all responding to your email specifically. whose name did you think I would use?? (said with a humorous twist as you know you are my pal) I only have a minute as I have auctions still listing.. but concerning this particular quote: I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself I agree with you.. but that's because based on everything she's said about this issue to date convinces me that she has absolutely no chance of getting a beneficial adjudication otherwise, be it in front of a judge or an arbitrator. so even a 1% chance of winning in a class is better than no chance of winning otherwise. she may also have damaged her case due to the way she posted here about this issue.. Not about posting itself, but the manner in which she has posted for instanc e, I believe she has only posted this issue each time Rudy has posted about something else. as if she was stalking Rudy so she could post. then it is pretty obvious that her intent is to disparage, which any court or arbitrator frowns upon It's easy to understand she feels she has been screwed, however there is no proof put forth, and that makes it awful hard to find for her. you can't always win David and sometimes you do have to settle for what you can get and Bruce.. why should you be surprised Brek chimed in? he had something pertinent to say.. But everyone needs to remember something.. this is a PUBLIC FORUM.. it invites comment. I wish more people would comment At 07:35 PM 6/5/2012, David Kusumoto wrote: That's a pretty funny video, Bruce. Nelson Eddy as an historical Andy Hardy rallying people to a cause that at first, no one wants to join. Almost like High Noon but without the same results. (Too bad Gary Cooper couldn't sing.) Thanks for posting! I try to be fair but Rich publicly called me out by name on MoPo (which is pretty rare) - so I decided for a moment whether to let my older post stand - or to respond directly to his challenge about fairness and issues relating to libel, the latter I know a whole lot about from personal experience. As someone else pointed out to me privately, ...you're right, people just pile on without knowing particularly what they are really talking about. Because these same people can only get their 'facts' from what is posted here. That's a perfect reflection of how I feel about this whole squabble. -d. -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:12:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory From: brucehershen...@gmail.com To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu I was very impressed that Brek joined this fray, with nothing to gain whatsoever, Obviously he was motivated to post because he saw a person who has been repeated dumped on, solely for having alleged that they were treated in a certain way, and since he believes he had the same experience with the very same party, he felt compelled to write himself (and oddly, no one has challenged HIS version of the facts or HIS competence). Now, when this person is scorned yet again, David feels compelled to make a stand as well! I no longer think this resembles Mr, Smith Goes to Washington. It is far more similar to a classic scene from another movie, seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjqfvZVReM (please watch it through!) Bruce -- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:46:37 -0700 From: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU How do you think any third party might adjudicate this situation David?? do you think Heritage's offer to make a charitable donation to the charity of Geraldine's choice actually might be fair in light of all these circumstances and do you feel it is right for Geraldine to repeatedly and purposefully libel Heritage on this forum without repercussions? Rich - * I don't need to guess how a third party might adjudicate this. To do so in Grey's direction would be prejudicial because he is a friend, therefore, my views cannot be realistically nor legally be accepted as objective nor impartial. My opinion does not matter. But since you asked, I think Geraldine's chances would improve if she can prove class-action negligence on behalf of more consignors like herself. This is the method, coincidentally, that a person is also more likely to have success garnering media coverage - which I maintain is way more damaging to a company's long-term reputation and ability to retain market share - than a lawsuit involving monetary damages. If she took this to the media with others in tow, she could have fun with it even if she loses. * Do I think Heritage's offer is fair? It depends if it were you, not Geraldine, faced with this offer - and if you yourself thought it was fair. It's not for anyone to judge what's fair to you
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Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably some home-user Access-like database program. (Here, I'm referring to security differences between programs like Quicken and true business accounting software which do not allow you to change entries without leaving a trail.)
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I concur wholeheartedlyyou just can't ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best - 'Trust no one. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed
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Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” From:MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally
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Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly .you just canât ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best âTrust no one.â From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably
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Howdy y'all, I don't doubt that if all of the parties had mulligans ... ad From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who passed on. This is also a public list which non-subscribers go to for archived information on how to sell their posters.. As a noted movie poster expert, these uninformed sellers need to know that you will encourage them to send their collections post vite to Heritage. You will not tell them that they need to protect themselves by doing a photographic inventory and log of their posters before sending to Heritage. You will not warn them that Heritage's inventory process is suspect and their software probably
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Hey, I've never had any association with Heritage Auctions whatsoever, but I kinda think this topic is getting a bit old. Hey, Heritage may indeed have flaws, but so do I...and I'm sure you all don't want to hear on and on and on about them Rick In a message dated 6/4/2012 4:42:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aday_5...@yahoo.com writes: Howdy y'all, I don't doubt that if all of the parties had mulligans ... ad From: Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove your case? Admittedly, you made no inventory, Charlie is 82 and you are also at an age where things become less clear to the mind - through no fault of your own.. It just happens as people get older. It will happen to me as well probably. I have thought at times that something is missing and believed I had given it to someone, only to later find said item in my inventory, generally somewhere that it doesn't belong, at which point I was forced to apologize to that person who I thought screwed me. You did not do what was necessary to protect yourself, how can that be the fault of Heritage? Rich At 06:15 AM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Rudy, this list is not just for dealers. There are a lot of people who lurk here who are interested in movie posters. They are not professional dealers in the business. Some may be non-poster business people interested in selling off collections acquired from either a lifetime of working in the industry, or inherited them from dad, who
Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory
But who killed John Kennedy? Perhaps that was the first terrible sign that things go missing in Dallas - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory But who killed John Kennedy? -- From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored
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Luke Skywalker? On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: But who killed John Kennedy? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [ mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your
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No, no, no Luke it always the hero From: Kirby McDaniel ki...@movieart.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Luke Skywalker? On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:11 PM, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: But who killed John Kennedy? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what
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And they're known for the death penalty... From: Phillip W. Ayling mro...@earthlink.net To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory But who killed John Kennedy? Perhaps that was the first terrible sign that things go missing in Dallas - Original Message - From: Geraldine Kudaka To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory But who killed John Kennedy? From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine the United States did land man on the Moon in 1969 anything else is a silly conspiracy theory Rich At 04:16 PM 6/4/2012, Geraldine Kudaka wrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. From: Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim fooul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best –  ˜Trust no one.â€� From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were
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So you are saying that you have dated paperwork listing items as unsold, and then LATER dated paperwork where they say everything was sold or returned, and then still LATER dated paperwork where they sent you items they had previously claimed to have sold or returned? Bruce On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Geraldine Kudaka gkud...@rocketmail.comwrote: Ahh... but here's the kicker I didn't add before Heritge claims they have sent back all our posters. On our consignment sheet from Feb 2010, there's unsold poster which wasn't returned this past month. Black and white, on Heritage paper, it states it wasn't sold. Now have you ever had Heritage claim they returned everything, yet you have PROOF not everything was returned. -- *From:* Walton, Jeffrey jeffrey.wal...@fisglobal.com *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 3:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory I concur wholeheartedly….you just can’t ship a bunch of posters and claim foul when no inventory on your part was done no matter if you trust that identity or not. When shipping a bunch of poster I always make an inventory and send along a copy of the inventory as well. So when Grey or Bruce compares the list and there is a discrepancy there is at least a record. What would have happened if the parcel was lost in the mail, then try to stake a claim with the insurance? The X-files said it best – ‘Trust no one.” *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2012 3:31 PM *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Rudy Franchi, Heritage, no Inventory Geraldine reading your posts as a outsider makes me wonder about some of the things you mention in your emails. Are you trying to get a resolution, or are you just trying to disparage Rudy Franchi and Heritage? Also, do you or do you not think that your own actions are a partial contributor to your angst?? Don't get me wrong.. I'm not attempting to disparage or attack you. I understand you have a dispute, it was not to date settled in your favor and that makes you angry. But some thing that you wrote puzzles me. Your own lack of an inventory specifically. 2 weeks ago, I consigned a large collection of my own to Profiles in History for their July auction. I have a book collection or hardcover Photoplay editions in dust jackets dating from 1913 to the 1940s with additional items up to the 1990s. I have known Joe Maddalena for a reasonably long time and we have done deals on both a personal level and via his auction house. However, regardless of my relationship with Joe, when I consigned this collection to them of 800 books and related items, there is no way I would have let these items leave my possession without an inventory. For 2 weeks prior to them leaving my warehouse, I photographed each and every item in this collection. Yes it was done in part so I could have file images of these items for my image archive, but it was also done so that in case of any disputes, I could prove to Profiles what I gave them. This is not for the protection of myself and for the protection of Profiles. How could I dispute any issues without having such an inventory in my hands?? Did I do this time consuming job for my own pleasure?? No Ma'am I had plenty of other work to do, and such a task only added to my weekly work schedule right at a time when I was actually busier than I had been in months, and anyone who knows me knows that my work schedule is always completely full and that I haven't been having lots of playtime in my wonderful city of Las Vegas. It actually left me with just one day to get ready for Cinevent, and that one day wasn't nearly enough. Joe may be my good friend and I trust him 100%, but I do not leave it up to other people to protect my own interests, as much as I would like to when I don't have any time. If I leave it up to someone else to protect my interests, I really don't feel I can blame the other party no matter how many assurances I have that I can. Furthermore, if such a situation were to land me in a lawsuit attempting to claim some sort of duress, what portion of such duress is my own fault for not protecting myself?? I do remember the days when a handshake deal was a bond, but I have also felt the betrayal of a handshake deal not being honored, making me wish I had done what was necessary to protect myself before any issues arose. Not completing such an action is no one's fault but my own. So the question becomes, IF your claims are true, what responsibility do you think you have in not having done what was necessary to protect yourself? Do you think this was a failure on your behalf, or do you think that you have any responsibility at all? If you were to sue Heritage, what proof would you use to prove
