[MD] Contradiction and incoherence

2012-03-26 Thread MarshaV
Greetings, Marsha: I would concede that pure experience is synonymous with Dynamic Quality. Value, the pragmatic test of truth, is also the primary empirical experience. The Metaphysics of Quality says pure experience is value. Experience which is not valued is not experienced. The two are

Re: [MD] Drivel v MOQ

2012-03-26 Thread Ian Glendinning
No idea who said it, but to be fair DMB that contradiction is the standing problem with a discussion group whose subject is beyond words - it's all about claims that transcend words - a tricky game.. Ian On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Either

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread MarshaV
Hi Tuukka, It may not be the type of reassurance you were looking for, but I value your posting in this forum. Marsha On Mar 25, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Tuukka Virtaperko m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net wrote: Everyone, I asked DMB, who on this mailing list does he like or consider a good

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread MarshaV
p.s. I value everyone's posts. Was it Nietzsche or Lisa Simpson who said That which does not kill us makes us stronger.? And above all I value the MoQ. On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:03 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Tuukka, It may not be the type of reassurance you were looking

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread Antonio Roberto Maestrello
Hi. I really don´t understand why some people get so aggressive. If you are participating to get enlightened, no one should disparage anyone's opinion, even if it doenst' seem to be pertinent to the discussion theme. In addition personal insults put you down, Be in peace Antonio Roberto 2012/3/25

[MD] Dewey's Zen

2012-03-26 Thread Andre
dmb: ...experiences come whole, pervaded by unifying qualities that demarcate them within the flux of our lives. If we want to find meaning, or the basis for meaning, we must therefore start with the qualitative unity that Dewey describes. The demarcating pervasive quality is, at first,

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Mark and All, Imho Pirsig has provided the conception for that cypher DQ/SQ. DQ is the indefinable emotional reality and SQ is defined intellectual reality. Joe On 3/25/12 6:11 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: The use of an appropriate cypher is required to decrypt passages, which

Re: [MD] Free will.

2012-03-26 Thread John Carl
Hi Carl, Is free will an illusion? No. But if you want, you can choose to think so. Yours, John On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Carl Thames ctha...@centurytel.net wrote: Okay, one more time, only this time I'll actually include the link:

Re: [MD] Why are things called patterns?

2012-03-26 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Marsha and all, Are human cognitive processes the only experience of structured reality or can animal/human instincts process DQ? Joe On 3/25/12 9:40 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: Hi Craig, On Mar 25, 2012, at 11:43 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote: [Craig, previously] Can

Re: [MD] Why are things called patterns?

2012-03-26 Thread MarshaV
Hi Joe, No, not if you have a Heart. Marsha On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Marsha and all, Are human cognitive processes the only experience of structured reality or can animal/human instincts process DQ? Joe On 3/25/12 9:40 PM,

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Antonio, all, I agree. There has been a lot of thoughtless bickering. -Tuukka 26.3.2012 18:13, Antonio Roberto Maestrello wrote: Hi. I really don´t understand why some people get so aggressive. If you are participating to get enlightened, no one should disparage anyone's opinion, even if it

Re: [MD] Why are things called patterns?

2012-03-26 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi Marsha The heart is cognitive. It is indefinable in that capability of processing DQ instinct along with its definable pumping blood function? I would guess flight or fight behavior indicates something indefinable is recognized. Joe On 3/26/12 11:51 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:

Re: [MD] qualified relativists

2012-03-26 Thread ridgecoyote
Mark, Huh? Hi Tuukka, I would use the term anthropocentric. This means that the way we see things is the way they must be. While this can be seen as completely true, sometimes it is taken too far in my opinion. Mark My ears always perk up at the term because my philosophical mentor,

Re: [MD] qualified relativists

2012-03-26 Thread 118
Hi John, Yes, I agree. Quality for an electron may be different than human quality. I simply was giving Tuukka another word for what he was presenting since he requested an alternative term. Re-read his post that I was responding to and you may understand why I suggested the word

Re: [MD] DMB's friends

2012-03-26 Thread 118
Hi Joe, What I meant by cypher was an algorithm which can be used to decipher Lila. Mathematics and language are one and the same. Plenty has been written on this and it is one of the foundations of Kabbalah. Look it up if you are interested. It is just a different approach to MoQ. Sent

Re: [MD] Deciphering LILA

2012-03-26 Thread Ant McWatt
Mark Smith stated, yesterday and today: What I meant by cypher was an algorithm which can be used to decipher Lila. Mathematics and language are one and the same... The use of an appropriate cypher is required to decrypt passages, which is the difficult part (and has occupied me for

[MD] Tuukka's letter to Robert Pirsig

2012-03-26 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
Ian, all, I posted my letter to Robert Pirsig here about an hour ago for evaluation and a second opinion. I wanted to make sure I express myself clearly in that letter. Unfortunately, for some reason, the letter didn't come through. In the meantime, you can read the letter here:

[MD] Tuukka's letter to Pirsig

2012-03-26 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
All, I'm wondering whether this letter makes sense. A bunch of second opinions would be useful. I cross-posted this to LS. No reason to exclude them from this discussion. This is not a letter to Pirsig from MD - it is a letter to Pirsig from me, and I'm active in both groups. For those

Re: [MD] Tuukka's letter to Robert Pirsig

2012-03-26 Thread Tuukka Virtaperko
All, apparently the letter came through almost instantly after I posted a notification that it didn't. I did not intend to confuse you. -Tuukka 27.3.2012 4:10, Tuukka Virtaperko wrote: Ian, all, I posted my letter to Robert Pirsig here about an hour ago for evaluation and a second

Re: [MD] qualified relativists

2012-03-26 Thread ridgecoyote
Aha, I see. Foiled by my own predilictions again. :-). Thanks Mark for clarifying. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 26, 2012, at 3:49 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Yes, I agree. Quality for an electron may be different than human quality. I simply was giving Tuukka another

Re: [MD] Deciphering LILA

2012-03-26 Thread 118
Hi Ant, Thank you for your interest. I have joined company with another better versed than I at this. There are so many ways to go about this. I will start to let some stuff dribble out as it takes better form. I do not want to sound too idiotic (although I may often give the appearance to

Re: [MD] Deciphering LILA

2012-03-26 Thread Michael R. Brown
Why does Lila need it? : ) In unrelated news, I once had a dream intuition that the Riemann Hypothesis could be solved cryptographically: by treating the known zeroes as data points relative to the natural numbers. Beats me if it would work, but it came with some great imagery: the Riemann

Re: [MD] Deciphering LILA

2012-03-26 Thread 118
Hi MRB, I suppose it does not need it. One way of seeing this form of manipulation is as an inroad to the subconscious. When we read passages, there is a brief moment when the words enter our minds, before we reassemble the words into our intellectual static understanding. That is words have