Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread MarshaV
dmb, On Sep 8, 2013, at 2:00 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Now, if we say that concepts are ever-changing, we are confusing them with reality. In the MOQ, this would be a matter of confusing or conflating DQ with sq. Reality is experience which is ever-changing, flowing

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread MarshaV
Ron, On Sep 8, 2013, at 2:15 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: Marsha to djh: I'm interested in what we can know and how can we know it. Without dismissing the idea with some proclamation of 'absolute, amoral, cultural relativism,' what does it mean when Nagarjuna states that all truth

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread David Harding
[djh] I think Buddhism's relation to the MOQ is nicely summarised by RMP in the following passage to McWatt: The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going somewhere - from quantum forces through inorganic forces and biological patterns and social patterns to the

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread MarshaV
On Sep 9, 2013, at 6:44 AM, David Harding da...@goodmetaphysics.com wrote: [djh] I think Buddhism's relation to the MOQ is nicely summarised by RMP in the following passage to McWatt: The MOQ sees the wheel of karma as attached to a cart that is going somewhere - from quantum forces

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread Eddo Rats
Hi All I like the concept of common sense in the english language very much. There is no such concept in the dutch language. When i translate the concept common sense in the Dutch language it would mean something like ; using your mind in a healthy way. When I analyse the concept common sense

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread Andre Broersen
Marsha to Ron: Explanations are conventional, and Nagarjuna must use conventional language and relative truths to teach and point the way to the ultimate goal, nirvana. In the same way RMP uses convention static patterns to point the way to Dynamic Quality, the moon. Imho. Andre: I beg to

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread Eddo Rats
Hi All André says: This also means taking responsibility for the views one expresses. Views (the MoQ shows us) that ought to go beyond the mere 'personal' experiences of the individual. Eddo asks; You mean that the expressed views must represent the conventions of the authorised institution(who

Re: [MD] Questions for Marsha.

2013-09-09 Thread MarshaV
Andre, The purpose of writing for a dust cover is quite different than writing a personal note to a student of the MoQ, one who is working on his MoQ dissertation. What he wrote to Anthony: While I am thinking about it there is a very good book on Buddhism recently out called 'Buddhism,

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread David Thomas
On 9/7/13 12:56 PM, David Buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: David Thomas said: ...Some time ago, when I first read this book [Jonathan Haidt¹s, ³The Righteous Mind, Why Good People and Divided by Politics and Religion], in an exchange with DMB I recommended he read it because I

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Dave] I come upon you standing over a child beating her unmercifully with a club. My moral intuition compels me to act to stop you. When I do, you turn the club towards me and shout, You fucking bum I'm an intellectual, you have no moral authority to interfere with me unless you can mount an

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi David B and all, The structure of metaphysics DQ/SQ differs from a mathematical structure of logic. Mathematical structure does not support indefinable reality it only eliminates it. In mathematics DQ/SQ is a nonentity. Metaphysics has a different approach to logic from physics. Evolution

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
dmb asked David Thomas: I'm familiar with Haidt, although I ... don't see any reason why it poses a challenge to Pirsig's work. It's been a while but I remember thinking that his explanations for the differences between conservatives and liberals pretty well supports what Pirsig says,

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread David Thomas
On 9/9/13 1:17 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER ajb...@psu.edu wrote: [Arlo] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies. Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
dmb says: ... I was especially struck by the author's description of the epistemic virtues and values that promote the pursuit of knowledge. Like Pirsig, I think, he doesn't insist on any essential feature but promotes a whole batch of epistemic virtues and values. The article's list looks

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Arlo previously] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies. Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the MoQ never happens in reality. [Arlo] ?? Wow.

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread X Acto
[Arlo previously] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies.  Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the MoQ never happens in reality. [Arlo] ??

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
What's striking about DT's bizarre mockery is that it actually mocks Marsha's anti-intellectual nihilism but does not touch the MOQ. Marsha likes to paint all static knowledge as hypothetical, as illusions, as reifications and falsifications, as wispy unrealities - but that's exactly what my