Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi John 28 jan 2014 kl. 19:02 skrev John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com: Dan, John prev: But it's interesting to consider that the over all plan for the human, doesn't come from on top It comes from it's DNA and like wise the city's overall plans comes from the dreams and ideas of

[MD] absorbing the immoral

2014-01-29 Thread Ian MacLean
I thought there was a reference to this in list posts from the past week or two, but can't find it. Regardless, I'm looking for something from Lila, which concerned (this is paraphrasing) absorbing something which was immoral, and not passing it on (as a high form of morality). Does this ring a

Re: [MD] absorbing the immoral

2014-01-29 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Ian] I thought there was a reference to this in list posts from the past week or two, but can't find it. Regardless, I'm looking for something from Lila, which concerned (this is paraphrasing) absorbing something which was immoral, and not passing it on (as a high form of morality). Does this

[MD] absorbing the immoral

2014-01-29 Thread Andre
Ian asked: ...which concerned (this is paraphrasing) absorbing something which was immoral, and not passing it on (as a high form of morality). Does this ring a bell with anyone? If so, where in Lila can it be found? Many thanks, Andre: Ian you can find it on page 407 of LILA (chapter

Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-29 Thread Andre
Jan Anders: That was the reason for me to write Money and the Art.. because I thought that if the MOQ perspective will be able to compete with SOM, there must be economically superior to SOM. Andre: Hi Jan-Anders. With all due respect, when will you stop plugging your book on this discuss?

[MD] Rejecting SOM

2014-01-29 Thread david
More helpful help for John to ignore Historian James Livingston says the classical pragmatists like Dewey and James were already postmodern way before it was cool. And what is it that makes them postmodern? If you look at what they do not believe, hopefully, you can see that REJECTING SOM

Re: [MD] The Social aspect of SOM

2014-01-29 Thread John Carl
Hi Andre, Andre: Well John, if Dan or dmb cannot persuade you into realizing your error just remember what Pirsig says about the social level: 'Societies are subjective. No objective instrument can detect a society' (see Annot. 18) This is pretty much what Dan and dmb have been telling

Re: [MD] 420

2014-01-29 Thread John Carl
dmb, dmb says: You're mixing up the levels, as I already tried to explain a day or two ago... Pirsig makes a case that intellectual values should be in charge of society BUT, he says, there is a flaw (genetic defect) in the form of rationality that has inherited this task. That is where the

Re: [MD] 420

2014-01-29 Thread John Carl
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: John said to dmb: ...I deleted a lot of your aspersions below. dmb says: By deleting them and by calling them aspersions, you have doubly dismissed and evaded criticisms that I take to be quite sincere and valid. I

Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Andre Sorry about your inconvenience but MALC is my 400 pages comment to ZAMM and Lila. I just happen to mention the mystic behind the number 42 in it, too. But my solution to that is to add Quality to it which makes it 43. :-) Which is what I think RMP would suggest. i e How can Quality be

[MD] Step one

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
By inspiration from Andre I'll suggest that we start a discussion about how to define the difference between level one, the inorganic and level two, the organic. I couldn't find any consistent thread in the Archives. Jan-Anders Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.