Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value

2010-10-24 Thread Ham Priday
Greetings All -- For those of you who may be as tired of the Teabag dispute as I am, I'd like to offer some thoughts about Value that, as far as I know, are original with me. After all, Mr. Pirsig equated his Quality with Value and, like the MoQ, my philosophy of Essence is a valuistic

Re: [MD] Tea Bagging

2010-10-24 Thread Ian Glendinning
Horse said to Mark Have you never heard of the wolf in sheep's clothing or that politicians (and certain folk around here) tell lies? I don't know why I bother. As I keep pointing out it's not lies, it's institutionalised hypocrisy and neuroses (SOM for short). Normal and necessary for SOM to

Re: [MD] Tea Bagging

2010-10-24 Thread Ian Glendinning
Steve, yes even sensible Steve, said I heard the NAZIs not only recognized blah blah blah ... Listen to yourselves peeps. Prisoners of SOMism all. You'll find a rational objective argument to make your point if it kills you, and everyone else too. It's not intellect, it's a lame excuse

Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread Ian Glendinning
Mark asked, Does the UK government have any control Funnily enough, it does since we elected Hitler, or was it Stalin, let me check. The UK is no different to the US or any other western democracy. ... over what private health insurance can charge and provide? Just the same as the US, in

Re: [MD] Reifying carrots

2010-10-24 Thread MarshaV
Everything in the world that we conceive of and experience is related to the mind. When that world is reified however, it appears to exist absolutely, in its own right; and this mental distortion may lead one to wonder how nature can be comprehensible to the human mind. Einstein, who routed

Re: [MD] Reifying carrots

2010-10-24 Thread MarshaV
Western scientific research has led to a number of theoretical conclusions similar to the tenets of the Buddhist centrist view. For example, there is now a widespread belief among contemporary psychologists that refutes the existence of a homunculus, a little person in the mind/brain

Re: [MD] Reifying carrots

2010-10-24 Thread MarshaV
Upon first learning of mental states described in traditions outside of one's, there is a natural tendency to seek counterparts in one's own background or in the knowledge of one's native culture. For many people it si difficult to acknowledge the possibility that the attainment of

Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value

2010-10-24 Thread Alexander Jarnroth
In response to Ham Priday's offshoot. *** This makes me think of one thing that struck me the other day (and I must admit that the concept of MoQ is still quite new to me). I had also, prior to reading Pirsig's books, tried to somehow overcome the Cartesian dichotomy. However, I had tried to do

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Horse
Yes I do Marsha - I also post as the Moderator/Administrator of MD Apart from that though, I only post as Horse. Posting as another identity is not generally a problem as long as there is no devious or deceitful intent. However, if I find that someone is posting to get around a ban or to

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:36 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Yes, the definition, always good to have in a discussion.  The angle that I have been pursuing is one of boundary.  We know what SOM is by definition.  When is it that something enters into the SOM

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread 118
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:36 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Yes, the definition, always good to have in a discussion. The angle that I have been pursuing is one of boundary. We know

Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi Ian, What kind of controls does the UK place on its private insurance carriers? Thanks, Mark On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: Mark asked, Does the UK government have any control Funnily enough, it does since we elected Hitler, or was

[MD] Coffee Grounds

2010-10-24 Thread MarshaV
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Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread Horse
Hi Ian You've made some good points in your last couple of posts re: the Left/Right situation on this list and I agree with you. I've tried to avoid getting dragged into the stupidity of what's been going on here but obviously haven't done a very good job. So folks, on those threads that

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Horse
Mark As Dan says, you haven't, apparently, been around long enough yet to grasp what's going on here and his suggestion that you consult the archives, Anthony's work etc. is very apt. What Dan has said is plain good sense and is said without being rude unlike your reply. Cheers Horse

Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi A, And I like your approach. I find many on this forum are putting existing legos together, matching colors as it were. This results in a self-defined system, as we have been discussing. It's good to bring in other tools, which is why I enjoy reading Ham's posts. That man is the measure of

Re: [MD] Tea Bagging

2010-10-24 Thread ARLO J BENSINGER JR
[Mark] Intelligent design does not require a God, but even that is despised by many scientists and teachers. It seems that the only thing that is appropriate is some nebulous randomness that progresses through chance. [Arlo] Well, as I said, there are many things not taught in schools, such as

[MD] Intelligent Design

2010-10-24 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi Mark, [Mark] Intelligent design does not require a God, but even that is despised by many scientists and teachers. It seems that the only thing that is appropriate is some nebulous randomness that progresses through chance. Steve: Intelligent design doesn't require a God but it does

Re: [MD] Intelligent Design

2010-10-24 Thread 118
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Steven Peterson peterson.st...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Mark, [Mark] Intelligent design does not require a God, but even that is despised by many scientists and teachers. It seems that the only thing that is appropriate is some nebulous randomness that

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Andre Broersen
Mark to Dan: Well, then, my only response is: Go back to your master, you effing rottweiler! You want it your way, there's a nice big bowl of dog food waiting for you under the table, snarf it up, it will make you happy. Stop your pathetic snarling on these airwaves! Don't come back until

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread MarshaV
Moi? This Cartesian 'Me,' this autonomous little homunculus who sits behind our eyeballs looking out through them in order to pass judgment on the affairs of the world, is just completely ridiculous. This self-appointed little editor of reality is just an impossible fiction that

Re: [MD] Tea Bagging

2010-10-24 Thread ARLO J BENSINGER JR
[Mark] Yes it is in the line drawing. The back door approach sounds ominous indeed. Do you think there is a conspiracy? [Arlo] No, I don't think there is a conspiracy. But I think there are many who seek to dismantle the wall of separation between church and state, and (to get back to my old

Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value

2010-10-24 Thread Alexander Jarnroth
In reply to Mark: I've been thinking even more today (and as I've said before, much of this is new to me, and so I'm still in a process of internalization). What dawned on me today, while being out walking (I like to do that, makes me think better), is that MoQ and Systems Theory within the

Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread Ian Glendinning
Hi Mark, you first, What kind of controls does the US place on its private (health) insurance companies ? Ian On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:55 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ian, What kind of controls does the UK place on its private insurance carriers? Thanks, Mark On Sun, Oct 24,

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi Andre, I am sorry you feel that way. I am more than happy to leave politics out of this. My posts have been in response to questions posed to me. I can certainly not respond, and will do so. I provided some questions to Dan concerning SOM. If you thought my response was not appropriate

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread X Acto
interesting to note yet again- Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelled Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE in the area covered  by the Indian sub-continent, and modern

Re: [MD] The Dynamics of Value

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi A, I like your approaches, they are similar to mine, although different. Indeed a systems approach is useful. Yes, language does not reflect ones thoughts, in fact they are a vast simplification of an overall awareness. But they are the primary tool for communication of the intellect. As

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:54 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:36 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Yes, the definition, always good to have in

Re: [MD] Don Knots

2010-10-24 Thread X Acto
this title  is more suitable for this discussion - Original Message From: 118 ununocti...@gmail.com To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org Sent: Sun, October 24, 2010 12:45:30 AM Subject: [MD] Knots Hey Marsha, Does this sound familiar to you (him and her are interchangeable)?  Cheers, Mark

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi Dan, Thanks. My apologies, I will take a few deep breaths before I respond in the future. I will certainly do my best to get current. As something of a newcomer, I will ask questions. My questions to you in the post concerning your dismissal of Marsha, which you responded to, were sincere.

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Dan Glover
Hello everyone On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:09 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks.  My apologies, I will take a few deep breaths before I respond in the future.  I will certainly do my best to get current.  As something of a newcomer, I will ask questions. My questions to you

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread Platt Holden
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: In order for me to understand MOQ I believe an understanding of the terms is necessary, some thought that goes into the source of concepts such as SOM. Things arise for a reason. In my recent response to A from Sweden, I

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread 118
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 6:09 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks. My apologies, I will take a few deep breaths before I respond in the future. I will certainly do my best to get

Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread 118
I don't know that is why I asked the question. You stated that they did in your post previous to mine. I assumed you had the information. Mark On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Mark, you first, What kind of controls does the US place on its

Re: [MD] Step One

2010-10-24 Thread 118
Hi Horse, Thanks for the reminder, and I do consult the archives. I just sent a professional response to Dan thanking him for the information. Perhaps you could direct me to certain critical subject headings that you feel would help me out. I will await your response. Thanks again, Mark

Re: [MD] The Moral Landscape

2010-10-24 Thread Ian
No Mark, he he, you first. You asked the question specifically about the UK situation, implying it was different to the normal US situation in some way significant. Seemed to me you were making a rhetorical point. Ian Sent from my iPhone On 25 Oct 2010, at 04:57, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com