My initial point was that there is much effort in making Mozilla
skinnable, with a solid API foundation to work with, but most users
would benefit from customizable toolbars instead of skins.
I believe that skinability was mostly a side-effect of the development
of the cross-platform UI
David Tenser wrote:
Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such
as the daily progress?
The daily progress can be seen at http://bonsai.mozilla.org, where you
can query for the checkins made in the last day or another timeframe.
--
They that can give up essential
David Tenser wrote:
Enable interval mail checking and check mail on startup.
I find it wierd that you want to have to click the Get Msgs button in
order to get new messages ;-)
Hehe... well, that's a solution to the problem. But I still think the
button should download all accounts by
Blake Ross wrote:
This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, so this
is serious stuff. If you doubt people wants to customize the looks of an
application, you're being ignorant.
Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla.
Depends on your definition of
David Tenser wrote:
Do yourself a favor: Don't listen to JTK. He is always whining about how
Mozilla sucks, and whenever something he has complained about gets
fixed, he takes the credit for it. He also seems to believe that Mozilla
is part of a secret conspiracy between AOL, China and
JTK wrote:
Holy mother of God. Dare I ask what the numbers look like if you *DO*
count Mailnews?
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/reports.cgi?product=MailNewsoutput=show_chartdatasets=NEW%3Adatasets=ASSIGNED%3Adatasets=REOPENED%3Adatasets=UNCONFIRMED%3Abanner=1
Mailnews alone has ca. 2400 NEW,
Travis,
Is there a user_pref to change the text in the throbber tooltip?
Something like
user_pref(addressbook.throbber.text, Go to my homepage.);
etc.
Blake Ross wrote:
It's not a presumption. XUL. That's a _big_ effort in making Mozilla
skinnable.
Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do
with skinability.
It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page:
Is there some bug that
Thanks for the link! Lots of stuff are happening every day. I'm not
surprised though.
/ David
Christian Biesinger wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such
as the daily progress?
The daily progress can be seen at
Thanks for the tip Andrew, but K-Meleon was really just an ugly Internet
Explorer 3.0-styled application with the Gecko engine inside. :(
I'd rather stick with Mozilla (and in a few cases IE6).
/ David
Andrew Mutch wrote:
If you want the ability to:
* Add and remove toolbar buttons
* Add
On 2/15/2002 9:21 PM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such
as the daily progress?
Apart from bonsai, you can also go to
http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/ which gives reports about
nightly builds, recent bugs fixed, bugs
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla, so
this is serious stuff. If you doubt people wants to customize the
looks of an application, you're being ignorant.
Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla.
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Enable interval mail checking and check mail on startup.
I find it wierd that you want to have to click the Get Msgs button in
order to get new messages ;-)
Hehe... well, that's a solution to the problem. But I still think the
button should
David Tenser wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do
with skinability.
It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page:
Is there some bug that really bothers you? As well as reporting it,
feel free to fix it
On 2/16/2002 10:07 AM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
This leads to a question I've been wanting to ask for quite some time
now: Is filing a bug report the correct way to suggest improvements?
Of should improvements be filed to another place?
It's the correct way. There's a severity field called
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
Does this mean that they haven't had the time to add this feature in
four years?
No, it means that few of Mozilla's distributor's customers have been
clamoring for it, and thus it's not a priority. Why would a
On 2/16/2002 10:06 AM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
In my opinion, the current toolbar also takes up too much space, with
large icons and captions on each button. Hence the need of customization...
Agreed, You can get rid of the caption if you want to (see
Christian Biesinger wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
Sorry, my bad. It's total misinformation, then. XUL has nothing to do
with skinability.
It hasn't? What about this quotation from the Mozilla.org /start page:
Is there some bug that really bothers you? As well as
This was even more useful! This is what I wanted in the first place :)
Why can't they include a small whatsnew.txt in the package?
/ David
Pratik wrote:
On 2/15/2002 9:21 PM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
Does someone know how to get more information about this project, such
as the daily
David Tenser wrote:
Well the whole XUL front end can be viewed as a skin. It's all based
on XUL, so how can it not? Please forgive me if I'm wrong.
Huh?
XUL is just an UI description to make cross-platform UI development easier.
Sorry if the word staff is confusing. Maybe contributor or
Thanks for the tip! Getting busy with it right away.
I'm assuming that I need to create this userChrome.css file and place it
in the /chrome subdir in my profile.
Pratik wrote:
On 2/16/2002 10:06 AM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
In my opinion, the current toolbar also takes up too much space,
David Tenser wrote:
Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla. And I say that
if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than the
default, you're thinking too much like a technical user. From the
feedback submissions I've read from Netscape 6.x, few users
David Tenser wrote:
Apart from bonsai, you can also go to
http://www.mozillazine.org/build_comments/
This was even more useful! This is what I wanted in the first place :)
Why can't they include a small whatsnew.txt in the package?
The same reason why Mozilla's message filtering
David Tenser wrote:
I guess. I'm a VB coder, so it would probably take more time for me to
get familiar with the code than it would take for Netscape to implement
this themselves :(
I don't do C++ either (yet), but I have found it surprisingly easy to
learn to hack on Mozilla's front-end.
I surrender. :)
My point hopefully got through anyway.
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Matthew Thomas (mpt) is not a staff member of Mozilla. And I say
that if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than
the default, you're thinking too much like a technical
Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make
changes to the code to also write down what they did.
I think I'll satisfy with mozillazine.org!
/ David
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Apart from bonsai, you can also go to
David Tenser wrote:
Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make
changes to the code to also write down what they did.
When they commit their changes to CVS, they enter a message.
The ones you see through bonsai or through CVS directly.
Pratik wrote:
On 2/16/2002 10:07 AM, David Tenser wrote:
snip
This leads to a question I've been wanting to ask for quite some time
now: Is filing a bug report the correct way to suggest improvements?
Of should improvements be filed to another place?
It's the correct way. There's a
Neil M. wrote:
The two programs I use for screen capture the Mac are SnapZ Pro, and
Screen Catcher both can handle png. But Mac people tend to use jpeg/jpg,
and gif. I have PhotoShop Lite Adobe recently named to it to something else.
Why do you need a screen capture program? It's it
What's CVS?
Kryptolus wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Hehe.. I thought it would be easier for the people who actually make
changes to the code to also write down what they did.
When they commit their changes to CVS, they enter a message.
The ones you see through bonsai or through CVS
David Tenser wrote:
What's CVS?
The system mozilla.org uses to keep track of code changes. See
http://www.mozilla.org/cvs.html.
--
Hvis svaret er Anders Fogh så er spørgsmålet dumt.
I'm totally confused.
I've downloaded and installed cygwin and Perl. The instructions says:
1* Set up Patch Maker (see above.)
2* Change to the chrome directory of a Mozilla nightly build.
3* Execute pmn to unjar your chrome.
4* [...]
First of all, I fail to set up Patch
Okay, I see someone has already set you straight on this, so please
excuse me. I don't want to give you the impression that we're all
aggressive here ;-) But next time, you might want to restate your
assertions as questions.
Blake
David Tenser wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
It's not a
Blake Ross wrote:
First of all, he is the default assignee for that component, not the
module owner. (Yeah, this is a confusing distinction. Mozilla.org is
working on cleaning it up, and there's an updated module owner list, but
I can't find the url right now...) It is likely,
i, at least, like to hear about othr moz sites. ;)
Lancer wrote:
i didnt want to spam, apologies.
i just tried opening the new portal.
sorry, i not gonna spam you again.
Kryptolus wrote:
Lancer wrote:
A new sidebar is avaliable for mozilla funs!!!, you can find it here:
Una nueva
What do you mean by it is likely that this component is going away? Do
you mean that they won't work on these usability improvements after all?
If so, why?
I can understand (or should I say, I have accepted the fact) that this
doesn't have high priority, but dropping it alltogether? I'm
David Tenser wrote:
I'm totally confused.
I've downloaded and installed cygwin and Perl. The instructions says:
1* Set up Patch Maker (see above.)
2* Change to the chrome directory of a Mozilla nightly build.
3* Execute pmn to unjar your chrome.
4* [...]
First of
Blake Ross wrote:
there's an updated module owner list, but
I can't find the url right now...)
I suppose you're talking about
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/survey.cgi?action=list
--
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor
Thanks for clearing this up for me! I have now successfully unjarred
chrome (whatever that means).
I'm feeling stupid, I'm a programmer and can't follow these
instructions! :( Am I being ignorant?
I found them a bit hard to follow as well, especially since the first
version of Patch
Peter Lairo wrote:
i, at least, like to hear about othr moz sites. ;)
Well. Me too, but not the same site posted every other day =)
Blake Ross wrote:
If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is,
most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser.
Who is putting so much effort? No one that I can see. You admitted
you're new here, why are you making such presumptions?
My
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonas
Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up for me! I have now successfully unjarred
chrome (whatever that means).
JAR files are like ZIP files.
in fact, i think it is true that JAR files _are_ ZIP files.
if you simply rename a
Correct.
michael lefevre wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonas
Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up for me! I have now successfully unjarred
chrome (whatever that means).
JAR files are like ZIP files.
in fact, i think it is true that JAR files _are_
michael wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
If not, why put so much effort in supporting skins in Mozilla? Truth is,
most of the users doesn't care much of skin support in a browser.
Who is putting so much effort? No one that I can see. You admitted
you're new here, why are you making such
When I try to go to another page by opening a bookmark, Mozilla
freezes up.
0.9.8 2002020406 on Win98SE, Duron 800, 128M ram, cable modem
http://www.generalcadd.com/screen-shots.htm
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( Dionysian Reveler
If you're so special, why aren't you dead?
David Tenser wrote:
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Blake Ross wrote:
This article is actually written by a staff member of Mozilla,
Thankyou, David, for giving me a good laugh there.
...
if you think most people desire a different toolbar layout than
the default, you're thinking too
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
...
But when has anyone ever claimed that Mozilla's toolbars or
performance didn't need to be improved? I don't recall hearing that in
this newsgroup. We are not saying that Mozilla is good enough, only
that it is constantly improving, and certanly *not* that it will
Matthew Thomas wrote:
Because I don't want to have it on my conscience that I didn't help. I
don't have the knowledge, hardware, or temperament to contribute code,
so I taught myself about UI design and contributed that instead.
If you don't mind my asking, was there any particular
Christopher Jahn wrote:
And it came to pass that Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
Are you refering the use of Graphics period? Or the use of
Gif?
gif
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( Dionysian Reveler
A poet who reads his verse in public may have other nasty
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
The two programs I use for screen capture the Mac are SnapZ Pro, and
Screen Catcher both can handle png. But Mac people tend to use jpeg/jpg,
and gif. I have PhotoShop Lite Adobe recently named to it to something else.
I used to be a Mac guy (I'm not currently
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
Why do you need a screen capture program? It's it just apple+shift+f3?
(That's just from memory... don't usually use macs. On windows it's
alt-print screen for capturing the window and print screen for the
entire screen)
Because, as he pointed out, they do
Not that I know of, you have to edit the following lines:
locale/en-US/editor/editorOverlay.dtd:620:!ENTITY throbber.tooltip Go
to the vendorShortName; home page
locale/en-US/navigator/navigator.dtd:197:!ENTITY throbber.tooltip
Go to the vendorShortName; home page
Blake Ross wrote:
What do you mean by it is likely that this component is going away? Do
you mean that they won't work on these usability improvements after all?
If so, why?
I can understand (or should I say, I have accepted the fact) that this
doesn't have high priority, but
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
David Tenser wrote:
Thanks for clearing this up for me! I have now successfully unjarred
chrome (whatever that means).
JAR files are like ZIP files.
In fact JAR files *are* ZIP files if I'm not mistaken.
Unjarring the chrome means unzipping the
JAR files in
Matthew Thomas wrote:
[snip]
but I'd say the standard toolbar, as it is designed now, is
very limited and not very user friendly. I still think that all these
suggestions should be implemented, and I still think this is more
important than skin support. Skin support is really
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is
worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than 4.x,
MSIE, or iCab. The installation process is worse, the footprint is
worse, the UI is worse, the
Using win 2000 and Moz 20020215. In composer if I open a webpage with a
table, select the table and bring up its properties form I can not delete
or type values in it. Worked previously.
I am unable to retrieve newsgroups listing in any of the Mozilla builds.
What is the solution?
Yeah strange image rendering bug. I've seen some image rendering
strangness in 0.9.8 that I haven't seen before.
From an end user point of view it seems rendering has been getting
worse since 0.9.6. I don't know what the problem is, but I am certainly
not the only one who is noticing this.
Brendan Eich wrote:
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html
Comments welcome. Questions too, so I might have something to put
... in the roadmap FAQ, I wrote -- but the rest of my message was
chopped due to an obscure Mozilla mail bug.
/be
Thanks, Travis. This does help. Yes, changing the throbber tooltip is
a bother, but I am thinking of using Moz as the base of a web
application. The fact that Moz is not only an excellent application in
its own right, but also is so extremely customizable, makes it the
perfect platform
Thanks, Travis. This does help. Yes, it changing the throbber tooltip
is a bother, but I am thinking of using Moz as the base of a web
application. The fact that Moz is not only an excellent application in
its own right, but also is so extremely customizable, makes it the
perfect platform
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brendan Eich wrote:
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html
Comments welcome.
Brendan,
I'd like to see a release candidate period for 1.0 put into place. In
the past serious bugs have slipped into milestone releases, and though
we'll likely be more careful this time
I haven't been able to get to Mozilla.org for 2 or 3 days and I just got
off the phone with RoadRunner. Apparently it's a known issue. They have
a routing problem somewhere and no RoadRunner customers are able to get
to it. The tech's I were talking to were not even able to reach it.
Kinda
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