Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-12-14 Thread Anderson & Turpin
Mark Snyder wrote: > It's one thing to assume that state employee wages won't rise, but that only > represents about 10% of the budget. It's quite another to assume that the > costs of the various other goods and services that are purchased by the > State of Minnesota will remain flat for the enti

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-12-10 Thread Mark Snyder
Um, point of information: It has actually been the DFL caucus that has been complaining about the overly optimistic revenue forecast. Namely because Republican leaders pulled the nifty stunt of ignoring inflation when preparing the budget last session. It's one thing to assume that state employee

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-12-10 Thread Michael Hohmann
d spend as they conduct the public's business.   Enjoy the holidays and batten the hatches.   Michael Hohmann Linden Hills -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of LEE EKLUNDSent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:46 AMTo: Issues ListS

[Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-12-10 Thread LEE EKLUND
Good news for Minneapolis, the recent State of Minnesota revenue forecast shows only a deficit of $185,000,000 for 2004. Unless you believe the conservatives (heaven forbid) that the deficit could swell to $400,000,000 by February 2004. Minneapolis, being the slowest moving political target

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-13 Thread WizardMarks
Michael Hohmann wrote: John Rocker adds: I also don’t think Minneapolis residents are going to win over the hearts of legislators by quoting Karl Marx's dogma, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." WM: It's pretty tough to cozy up to a writer who can make a s

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-13 Thread Michael Hohmann
John Rocker adds: >I also don’t think Minneapolis residents are going to win over the hearts of legislators by quoting Karl Marx's dogma, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."< No wonder some legislators shake their heads at the mention of Mpls. and it's 'needs.' T

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid/Socialist creed funded capitalist need

2003-02-13 Thread PennBroKeith
In a message dated 2/13/03 6:00:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > The City's property taxes will simply be overwhelmed if there is no help > from > the state to deal with these very real situations. What every happened to: > > "From each according to his abilit

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-13 Thread John Rocker
I think this discussion of LGA shows that there is a real need to revamp the formula, whether or not the program is cut. For suburban cities with net outflow in LGA, there needs to be a clear reason why the money is paid and how that is calculated.   I also don’t think Minneapolis residen

[Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-13 Thread Delcalzojan
The conversations about the relative "wealth" of Minneapolis as measured by its value of real estate versus the total in the state and the number of people in Minneapolis as a proportion of the state's total population are interesting, but don't tell the whole story. When I worked or the City Coun

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread WizardMarks
David Brauer wrote: And even if we DO have a higher share of the taxable wealth than people (which I'm not conceding) that doesn't measure "need" - the number of poor, older infrastructure, regional amenities than non-residents use but don't pay for - that are a key, legitimate factor behind L

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread Brown, Terrell
Apparently I can't type today. Minneapolis and St. Paul have 24.8% of the metro area population, not the 200-plus number that I wrote earlier. Terrell Brown (still in Loring Park ... I got that right) -Original Message- From: Brown, Terrell -Original Message- From: David Bra

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread David Brauer
Vicky writes: > As David correctly points out, Minneapolis is even RICHER NOW. This is not what I said. I noted that using Census figures, Minneapolis has a smaller share of the state's population than she claimed. I said nothing about richness, or lack thereof. As Terrell Brown pointed out, Min

[Mpls] Local Government Aid - the rich keep getting richer

2003-02-12 Thread Victoria Heller
David Brauer asks: "What is the source of this data" in response to my claim that Minneapolis is the "richest" City in Minnesota. Vicky Heller answers: The specific numbers I used came from Council Member Dean Zimmerman on one of the Minneapolis Property Rights TV shows shortly before the last e

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread Brown, Terrell
-Original Message- From: David Brauer Vicky writes: > Minneapolis is the RICHEST city in the state (20% of the taxable real > estate, but only 11% of the population.) What is the source of this data? For example, the population figure is wrong. Minneapolis had 382,618 people in the 20

RE: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread David Brauer
Vicky writes: > Minneapolis is the RICHEST city in the state (20% of the taxable real > estate, but only 11% of the population.) What is the source of this data? For example, the population figure is wrong. Minneapolis had 382,618 people in the 2000 Census (http://www.metrocouncil.org/Census/news

[Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-12 Thread Victoria Heller
Don Jorovsky writes: ".the services you receive, or the education a child receives, should not be based so heavily on the relative property wealth of the area in which you happen to live." Vicky Heller responds: Mr. Jorovsky has this backwards. Minneapolis is the RICHEST city in the state (

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-11 Thread Shawne FitzGerald
Is the fiscal disparities act still in effect? If so, is Minneapolis losing or gaining under the law? Shawne FitzGerald Powderhorn TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapo

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-11 Thread Don Jorovsky
Dennis Plante, Jim McGuire and Terrell Brown have all made some excellent points today about Local Government Aid.  (see snips below).    Minneapolis is not an island.  People come into the city all the time for a variety of reasons.  They use city parks that are paid for by city property taxes.

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-11 Thread Dennis Plante
od for majority of suburbanites.  To assume that an across the board (in LGA) cut affects the suburbs and urban areas equally is absurd. Dennis Plante Jordan >From: "Jim MCGUIRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Mpls] Local Government Aid >Date: Tu

[Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-11 Thread Jim MCGUIRE
A couple of things struck me about Pat Awada's report. First was her conclusion that "the more money given to local governments the more they spend" which I file under "Duh!". I think she was trying to say that the spending is the result of the giving as opposed to need. This may be, but is n

[Mpls] Local Government Aid - State Auditor's report

2003-02-11 Thread Terrell Brown
The first footnote on the first page says "The OSA grouped three current city services: general government, public safety, and streets and highways together to form essential current services. All other current services are called non-essential current services for the purposes of this study." I'm

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-11 Thread ken bradley
Hello Andy: It is an even larger percentage of the St. Paul and Duluth budgets. I believe 16% for St. Paul and 19% for Duluth, 12% Minneapolis. Ken Bradley Corcoran Neighborhood --- Don Jorovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andy writes: > > Thank yourselves for electing Pat Awada over Carol

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid/Mo' Money Mo' spending/less flame

2003-02-11 Thread PennBroKeith
I regret the use of harsh language I employed in my post. Keith Reitman NearNorth In a message dated 2/11/03 4:13:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Received a complaint about this: > > > Don, you make the partisan political > > pandering, and Dynafying, > >

Re: [Mpls] Local Government Aid/Mo' Money Mo' spending Mo' DFL

2003-02-10 Thread PennBroKeith
In a message dated 2/10/03 5:34:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Andy writes: > > Thank yourselves for electing Pat Awada over Carol Johnson. > > Andy Driscoll > Saint Paul > > > Don adds: > > Actually, Minneapolis voters voted by a wide margin for > Ca

[Mpls] Local Government Aid

2003-02-10 Thread Don Jorovsky
Andy writes:   Thank yourselves for electing Pat Awada over Carol Johnson.Andy DriscollSaint Paul     Don adds:   Actually, Minneapolis voters voted by a wide margin for Carol Johnson over Pat Awada -- 85,249 to 32,450.  That's a margin of 72 to 28, although both of the percentages would be a litt