The lens for me is not on the lies and the moral, legal and ethical
complications from the lies, but on how the lies are discovered, who
discovers them, and how they are exploited. I think that was Jordan
Kushner's original intent in raising this issue.
Omar Jamal was prosecuted likely because
of people.
Jordan Kushner
Golden Valley
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
The lens for me is not on the lies and the moral, legal
I find it fascinating that the government wants to work hard to deport
Omar Jamal who, by all accounts, is an excellent citizen who
contributes a lot to his community. At the same time, there is a move
on the government's part to create ways for Mexican citizens to stay
here who are here
Omar Jamal's case offers a stark comparison. Jamal is probably going to be
deported or go to jail for not listing Canada as having offered him asylum.
Yet Basim Sabri, (another immigrant and the person who Jamal worked the
hardest to defend Somali people from) will not be deported for bribing
ms == mike skoglund [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ms I am really confused about this.
ms See, this is what I don't get -- he had already been granted
ms asylum by CANADA in 1991, so apparently he'd already been out
ms of danger for seven years when he made these misstatements on
PM
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
I appreciate Greg Luce's expoundment on the issue of the underlying
motivations behind Omar Jamal's prosecution. The underlying injustice is
based on a combination of the government's motivation and the lack
Greg Reinhardt
Excelsior
wrote
Should the lies of a good man be forgiven while the lies of a bad man
are fully
prosecuted? Does a person's good' intentions trump the fact that one has
uttered a lie, let alone five?
It appears that if you lie big enough you get to be re-elected President.
Of
activist found guilty of immigration fraud
Greg Reinhardt
Excelsior
wrote
Should the lies of a good man be forgiven while the lies of a bad
man
are fully
prosecuted? Does a person's good' intentions trump the fact that one
has
uttered a lie, let alone five?
It appears that if you lie big
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gregory Reinhardt
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:18 PM
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Subject: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
Equating the adjudication of a liar to the onslaught of the Holocaust is a
bit
I found it interesting this subject on lying to immigration. How many
people who feel that it was wrong have asks their forebears who came to this
country whether or not they lied to get it. I found out that my father had
lied when he entered this country back in the 20's. Why? Because he lied
Great point, Eli. We're pretty sure that most of my ancestors came from
Ireland; my and my family's physical characteristics would make it hard
to argue otherwise. But it is hard to trace exact roots because, as my
Dad explained to me, not all of our ancestors wanted to be traced, and
some
Eli Kaplan wrote:
I found it interesting this subject on lying to immigration.
How many people who feel that it was wrong have asks their
forebears who came to this country whether or not they lied
to get it. I found out that my father had lied when he entered
this country back in
Plymouth
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gregory Reinhardt
Sent: Fri 1/7/2005 3:17 PM
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Subject: [bcc][faked-from] [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of
immigration fraud
Equating the adjudication of a liar to the onslaught
Omar Jamal and his wife and children will be paying a
VERY high price for the crimes he committed. It will
deny them U.S. immigration and eventual citizenship.
This situation will throw their immediate future into
chaos for awhile.
I think it is pretty obvious that gaining immigrant or
citizen
I am really confused about this.
On 1/8/05 8:10 PM, Barbara Lickness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Omar Jamal and his wife and children will be paying a
VERY high price for the crimes he committed. It will
deny them U.S. immigration and eventual citizenship.
This situation will throw their
Guilty on five counts...
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/10590726.htm
David Brauer
List manager
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I am not surprised in the slightest that Memphis justice took less
than a week to put a black immigrant activist away for a quarter
century.
This is a wake up call for every political activist to the left of the
the current president's attorney general appointees who has ever filled
out an
Equating the adjudication of a liar to the onslaught of the Holocaust is a
bit over dramatic. Omar Jamal has yet to sentence; there is still an
opportunity for justice to fit the crime and the individual. Fear
mongering, aside, Jamal's conviction poses an interesting corundum. Should
the lies of
The email you are reacting to had more to do with the selection or certain
people for prosecution based on level of activism, sexual preference, etc.
I think it is safe to say that we all fall short of the glory of God and lie.
Few of us are selected for prosecution. We simply are not vocal or
: Friday, January 07, 2005 3:17 PM
Subject: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
Equating the adjudication of a liar to the onslaught of the Holocaust is a
bit over dramatic. Omar Jamal has yet to sentence; there is still an
opportunity for justice to fit the crime
Yes, we all have told lies of various degrees, but that doesn't make it okay to
lie to the Immigration Service (guilty of 5 counts of making false statements).
Who gets to decide what laws we can ignore and when?
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5174375.html
Tom Searles
Waconia, Twp.
Situational truthfulness? I'm just a simple civil servant; but if I lie I could
and should lose my job. When it comes to values, where is the line in the sand
drawn? Or does it shift with this or that advocacy or political inclination?
To generalize the misdeeds of others, shroud the jury
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:24 PM
Subject: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
Situational truthfulness? I'm just a simple civil servant; but if I lie I
could
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