Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-07 Thread Dan
California, the nation's leading eco-fanatic state has already passed a truck idling ban, but they, in a state where a trucker is much less likely to freeze to death still had enough sense to exempt sleeper-trucks from their ban during federally mandated rest periods. Earlier in their debate, it w

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-07 Thread Gary Hoover
RPGoldman scribed, in part: Is this really what the ordinance says? To me the "outside of an insulated building" reads more like "you can't do this if you're doing it outside a building that could do the refrigeration without idling." < This city ordinance makes sense to me. It seems energyw

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-07 Thread rpgoldman
> "Dan" == Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dan> (8) Operation of a mobile refrigeration unit while stopped, Dan> standing or parked outside of an insulated building in a Dan> residentially used area between the hours of 10:00 Dan> p.m. and 6:00 a.m. Dan> WOW!

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread Dyna
389.100. Prohibited acts. (a) The following acts are not allowed in the city and the causing thereof are prohibited: Our council members might want to take a look at the state and federal level laws regarding safe transport of refrigerated foods, rest time for drivers, and the Americans with Dis

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread Dan
389.100. Prohibited acts. (a) The following acts are not allowed in the city and the causing thereof are prohibited: (7) Idling of Buses, Trucks, Tractors, Truck-tractor, Trailers and Semitrailers, as those terms are defined in Minnesota Statute 168.011, while stopped, standing or parked in a resi

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread joan thom
For those of you who need further info on why Kemps has there lot where it is. The Neighborhood and those of us that live close by went to the City and said YES we want this parking lot! Now our council members who don't believe in very Livable wage jobs within the city are trying to drive them

RE: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread Gregory Luce
Dennis Plante wrote: What hours does the new ordinance actually cover? [Greg]: The text of the proposed ordinance is pasted below my name. It applies only to "residentially used areas" between the hours of 10:00 pm and 6:00 am, so truckers and anyone else can idle to their hearts content outsid

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread Dennis Plante
Has anyone researched the alternatives available to truckers? What is the nearest rural rest area at which they are able to sit idling to wait for the business they're unloading at to open in the morning? How large of an inconvenience is it to have to do so? What hours does the new ordinance

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-06 Thread Michael Thompson
r I'd move if it was such a problem. But I wouldn't whine to the city council and expect commerce to dance around my personal sensitivities. Mike Thompson Windom - Original Message ----- From: "Dyna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-05 Thread Steve Nelson
As a one time over the road trucker I couldn't agree with Dyna more. Well said, Dyna! Steven M Nelson Willard Hay http://citizenshipchronicles.blogspot.com/ Get UP! Get OUT! & GET INVOLVED!!! Dyna Sluyter wrote I wrote Gary Schiff about the issue, and his attitude is essentially that truckers sho

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-04 Thread Dyna
I wrote Gary Schiff about the issue, and his attitude is essentially that truckers should get out of the city. First, let me apologize for our young Democratic Farmer Labor endorsed Council Member; He is still a bit inexperienced and has yet to fully appreciate the fine agrarian and working cl

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-04 Thread Dan
I have no doubt that idling trucks cause neighbors problems. However, there are reasons for the idling. Instead of demonizing the truckers, and strong-arming them into compliance with a new ordinance, discussion with truckers should be used to find ways to minimize the problems. If truckers will

RE: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-04 Thread Tom Taylor
Dyna answers the question if she is throwing in the towel on her alleged bid for the 3rd ward seat: "No, but if someone wants to start the bidding for a council seat at $20,000 I'm sure as hell not going to outbid them." and now Dyan states: " It's half baked laws like this that remind me th

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-04 Thread WLDJ36
It is my understanding that folks nearby cannot leave their windows open on a summer night because the trucks have to run their engines all night to keep the refrigeration units going. In addition to the noise, there is also the issue of diesel fumes. Bill Dooley Kenny/Ward 13 REMINDERS: 1.

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-03 Thread Dyna
It's half baked laws like this that remind me that maybe I should stay in the 3rd Ward council race... Dan might be interested to know that things have changed a bit for truckers since his dad was on the road. And not neccessarily for the better- before deregulation and union busting the typic

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-03 Thread Mark Snyder
Dan might be interested to know that things have changed a bit for truckers since his dad was on the road. First of all, both diesel engine design and fuel formulation have improved a bit so that cold-starting is no longer so much of a problem. Secondly, while noise was the reported reason behind

Re: [Mpls] Council committee passes anti-idling ordinance

2005-02-03 Thread Dan
Did anybody at the city council bother to ask truckers WHY they leave their trucks idling? My dad was an over the road trucker, and left his rig running over-night in the winter for two very good reasons. 1. Truckers live in their truck. They sleep in there. The truck may appear empty, but there is