Laura Waterman Wittstock wrote:
I happen to agree that culture is a large contributing factor in
academic failure -- the culture of the majority class. People of all
cultural backgrounds buy into this as they are educated and if they go
into education, when they return to the public districts
Michael Atherton wrote:
I believe that culture is more important. There is no
study that I have been able to find (I've look for years),
but anecdotally you need only look at examples of families
whose cultures emphasize the importance of knowledge and
learning to see that income is not the
Wizard Marks wrote:
WM: There's something wrong with the logic here. Both African
American and American Indian peoples were deliberately denied
their cultures. Beaten and murdered for using their own languages
(primary carrier of a culture), dragged away/marched away from
their homes,
Steve Cross wrote:
I simply don't get it.
That much is clear. I've been trying to expound on
issues that are relevant to the MPS's 47% dropout
rate. I've tried to make clear that there are institutional
polices within the MPS that differentially impact
minorities. I've also tried to
Dan McGuire wrote:
I'm in the camp that thinks there's a link between poverty and
academic failure. I missed the evidence to the contrary if it was
posted. I don't think there is one easy way to fix the
problem; I think it's a constellation of problems that requires a
multi-faceted
Michael Atherton said: A number of people have argued that academic
failure and the dropout rate are intrinsically linked to poverty...
I'm in the camp that thinks there's a link between poverty and
academic failure. I missed the evidence to the contrary if it was
posted. I don't
Mr. Atherton's use of name-calling (racist, segregation) in this
message, in my opinion, crosses the boundaries of polite discourse
and, possibly, the rules of conduct for this list.
It's hard for me to see how we will ever form a coalition of concerned
citizens to build a better school system
, 2005 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mpls] Doug Grow's Mythology
Mr. Atherton's use of name-calling (racist, segregation) in this
message, in my opinion, crosses the boundaries of polite discourse
and, possibly, the rules of conduct for this list.
It's hard for me to see how we will ever form
Britt Robson wrote:
I take issue with Mr. Atherton's belief that endemic issues
surrounding poverty are not at least as much to blame for
this shameful situation as the skillful machinations of
upper-middle class parents on behalf of their children or
the inaction of MPS
On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 08:06 AM, Michael Atherton wrote:
I'm probably one of the few people that believes that link
is not between poverty (as low income) and academic failure.
I believe that is link is between culture and academic
failure. This implies that simply raising income
Dan == Dan McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Michael Atherton wrote:
a) Nothing has been done about the problem of there
being a disproportionate number of inexperienced teachers
in minority schools. A problem that everyone
A number of people have argued that academic failure
and the dropout rate are intrinsically linked to poverty
and attempts to impact it are doomed to fail. They conclude
that the only solution is to eliminate poverty itself.
I believe that such arguments run counter to historical
evidence and
Michael Atherton said: A number of people have argued that academic
failure
and the dropout rate are intrinsically linked to poverty...
I'm in the camp that thinks there's a link between poverty and
academic failure. I missed the evidence to the contrary if it was
posted. I don't think
Steve Cross wrote:
If it is a societal problem, then expecting the schools to
solve the problem is going to be impossible for them. Society
has to fix the problem. Once it does, then the dropout rate
will go down even if nothing in the schools have changed.
There are a number of
On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Michael Atherton wrote:
a) Nothing has been done about the problem of there
being a disproportionate number of inexperienced teachers
in minority schools. A problem that everyone acknowledges
is a contributing factor to the poor performance of
minority students.
I
Britt Robson wrote:
This is not an either/or issue. Is the overall quality of education
adversely affected in a major way by BOTH an increasingly inequitable
economic system and an understandably selfish but still covertly (and
overtly) racist jiggering of the education bureaucracy by
Allen Graetz wrote:
I wish this were the case. BUt even this is based upon the assumption
that any of these children that move to a better school have parents
that are involved enough in their lives to make that happen. And
unfortunately in some of the neighborhoods where this occurs, there
David == David Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Michael Atherton wrote:
a) Nothing has been done about the problem of there
being a disproportionate number of inexperienced teachers
in minority schools. A problem that everyone acknowledges
David On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Michael Atherton wrote:
a) Nothing has been done about the problem of there
being a disproportionate number of inexperienced teachers
in minority schools. A problem that everyone acknowledges
is a contributing factor to the poor
Ray Marshall wrote:
When a dropout rate of 47% is reported, is that a true
dropout rate, or perhaps is it more reflective of a family's
move to another school district or state? Or, perhaps might
it be just an unauthorized vacation from school?
The MPS themselves reported a 51% failure
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