Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-20 Thread M . K . t . Huurne
shevek wrote: I was saying that the analogy with gaps was not correct. A gap contains bytes just like sectors do, altough the values of the bytes are not used to store data. Making gaps bigger doesn't change the amount of magnetic disk surface reserved for one byte. The gaps will

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-20 Thread shevek
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the threat was about is that when you format a disk, the formatting program decides the number of bytes per gap. MSX diskROMs seem to use more bytes per gap than PCs. Then we started wondering what difference this makes. Indeed. But I

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-20 Thread Laurens Holst
schevec written: It was not my mailer, I typed that sentence myself. I thought all names start with capitals, simply because that is the convention for names. Why do you want yours with a lower case first letter? The name shevek comes from a book (the dispossessed by Ursula LeGuin). It is

Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-20 Thread jam
Hi PB Can you send me "Formula" by e-mail? Of course :) JAM ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) *MSX Dreams* Apdo. Correos 3294 18080 Granada ... 1 COIN 1 CREDIT MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-19 Thread Marco Antonio Simon dal Poz
On Sat, 17 Apr 1999, jam wrote: AW I agree on this explanation. You can doublecheck this theory by AW analyzing the track with some kind of track analysis tool. If I AW remember correctly, there exists some kind of japanese copy program AW which can analyze the track for you. Though, I

RE: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-19 Thread Patrick Kramer
I think it is the same reason as putting the boot sector on the outside of the disk (the widest circle). There is more magnetic space reserved for the sector, so it will be more secure. That's not true. A bigger gap doesn't mean the bytes inside sector get more space, it only

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-19 Thread shevek
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, Maarten ter Huurne wrote: Shevek wrote: Even mailers don't understand my name doesn't start with a capital :( I think it is the same reason as putting the boot sector on the outside of the disk (the widest circle). There is more magnetic space reserved for the

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-17 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha wrote: But with a small gap do I gain more disk space, don't I? In theory, yes. You can fit 10 sectors into a track if you make the gaps small enough. But unless you're doing direct disk I/O, you can't access the 10th sector in a track. The diskROM

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-17 Thread Maarten ter Huurne
At 04:49 PM 4/15/99 MET, you wrote: BTW, speaking of disks on PC/MSX... A disk formatted on MSX usually has a name (of the computer/diskrom) in sector 0. After a disk has been put in a PC, this name is overwritten by something like IHC). Does anyone know why the PC overwrites the name?

RE: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-17 Thread frits
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Maarten ter Huurne Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha wrote: But with a small gap

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-17 Thread Laurens Holst
Hi When I DOSSCAN a DD disk formatted on PC, I get about 12 or 13 kB/s, but when I DOSSCAN a DD disk formatted on my MSX, I get 16 or 17 kB/s! Can anyone explain me the difference, exactly? Thanks! Disks are used not very often on the PC so the first part they (the dealers) cut in on are the

Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-17 Thread jam
Hi Alex: AW I agree on this explanation. You can doublecheck this theory by AW analyzing the track with some kind of track analysis tool. If I AW remember correctly, there exists some kind of japanese copy program AW which can analyze the track for you. Though, I do not remember its AW

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-16 Thread shevek
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha wrote: Erik, when the gap size is too small (and he is on a pc formatted disk) he sometimes have to make a complete rotation for the next sector But with a small gap do I gain more disk space, don't I? If not,

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-16 Thread Erik
shevek schreef: I know of a program called formula that can do this indeed. It uses direct fdc access, so it does not work on eg the philips nms8245. It works fine on the nms8250, though. Bye, shevek My signature will change soon. --- there is someting called FDD test , it's a

Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
Hi When I DOSSCAN a DD disk formatted on PC, I get about 12 or 13 kB/s, but when I DOSSCAN a DD disk formatted on my MSX, I get 16 or 17 kB/s! Can anyone explain me the difference, exactly? Thanks! Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? See: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread See Loy Lin
The PC has a HD floppy drive and it just costs time to read from DD floppies instead of HD floppies... it has to do al sorts of conversion routines etc.etc. The MSX however is optimized to work with the DD disks.. hence the difference Are the disks not both read on MSX? If the PC has to

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
The PC has a HD floppy drive and it just costs time to read from DD floppies instead of HD floppies... it has to do al sorts of conversion routines etc.etc. The MSX however is optimized to work with the DD disks.. hence the difference Are the disks not both read on MSX? If the PC

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Alex Wulms
] Is the track formatted with an other interleaving setting ? ] ] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ] ] or ] ] 1 3 5 7 9 2 4 6 8 ] ] Or the PC is optimized for an other interleaving setting than the MSX is. I agree on this explanation. You can doublecheck this theory by analyzing the track with some kind

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Manuel Bilderbeek
] Is the track formatted with an other interleaving setting ? ] ] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ] ] or ] ] 1 3 5 7 9 2 4 6 8 ] ] Or the PC is optimized for an other interleaving setting than the MSX is. I agree on this explanation. You can doublecheck this theory by analyzing the track with

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Erik
well , it's not that. in the past i have done some checking on this strange behavior (when i was writing the supercop software) and MSX and PC do not use interleaving the main difference is the gap size. this is the space between 2 sectors msx gap size is bigger so the computer has more time to

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha
Erik, when the gap size is too small (and he is on a pc formatted disk) he sometimes have to make a complete rotation for the next sector But with a small gap do I gain more disk space, don't I? If not, what is the advantage of having a small gap if, in some cases (as

Re: Speed difference between disk formatted on PC and MSX

1999-04-15 Thread Erik
I don't know why pc uses a small gap , the only reason i can think of is that the start and end gap (the area in witch the index pulse must appear) will be bigger so you can use diskdrives with a wider tolerance btw. (there is so many space on a track you can put 10 sectors on it with a very