Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Ross Bencina
I oppose patent trolls and trivial patents. Beyond that I think it's a bit more murky. My a basic rule of thumb would be: If I can think of a mathematical or algorithmic solution to some random problem in my field in less than a month I don't expect that solution to be patented or patentable. I

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitionedconvolution

2011-01-28 Thread Didier Dambrin
I'd like to see if "non profit" applies to underdevelopped countries that can't get access to medicine they can't afford nor legally copy it. Maybe "progress" doesn't mean progress for everyone. & I'm not even talking about patents on GMO or on your own DNA.. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:26 PM,

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: I've been on a number of patent cases (as software expert, sometimes electronics), big players, on both sides... First, patents are important, and help progress. Non-obvious advances often come from expensive and lengthy research. Imagine a

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
I've been on a number of patent cases (as software expert, sometimes electronics), big players, on both sides... First, patents are important, and help progress. Non-obvious advances often come from expensive and lengthy research. Imagine a situation where company A invests in research, and mak

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Jon Boley
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: > More: By publishing you make the advance unpatentable. Therefore > a patent can _only_ be interpreted (in a modern context) as a > desire to inhibit progress. I'm not committed to this view, but I'd be interested to hear your response... I wo

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > I would have thought that the whole point of a patent is to make money. A > scientific paper, IMHO, is the way to move the field forward. I couldn't help but chuckle a bit when I saw the signature of the originator of this thread. If And

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Didier Dambrin
Plus it's lack of humility to assume to be the first to have thought of something. Whatever we come up with, usually it has already been invented, possibly even centuries ago as a theory (& sometimes at the wrong time & no one paid attention / found it a proper use). But it's pretty rare to act

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Victor Lazzarini
+1 On 28 Jan 2011, at 18:26, Andy Farnell wrote: As a scientist, teacher and human being I find I'm morally obliged to oppose such madness. Andy -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http:

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Andy Farnell
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:06:40 + Victor Lazzarini wrote: > A scientific paper, IMHO, is the way to move the field forward. More: By publishing you make the advance unpatentable. Therefore a patent can _only_ be interpreted (in a modern context) as a desire to inhibit progress. As such it is a

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas Young
In principle a patent protects the investment that a company makes in order to develop a new technology; companies are unlikely to invest large amounts on research if their ideas are going to be copied and their product beaten to market by an opportunistic competitor. In practice, as we all kno

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Hoskins
I would have thought that the whole point of a patent is to make money. A scientific paper, IMHO, is the way to move the field forward. Victor On 28 Jan 2011, at 18:02, Dave Hoskins wrote: Not officially of course. Officially it's a happy sing-a-long camp of sharing inventors. The whole

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Victor Lazzarini
I would have thought that the whole point of a patent is to make money. A scientific paper, IMHO, is the way to move the field forward. Victor On 28 Jan 2011, at 18:02, Dave Hoskins wrote: The whole point of a Patent is to help engineers move forward, so it's completely legitimate to take a

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Dave Hoskins
Dear Andreas, You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, this is a common practice of large corporations (i.e., they use their financial power first to pass initial examination stage and then to prevent re-examination requests). Regarding the mentioned company, they have even patented companding s

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Andy Farnell
All software patents are an abomination. On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:55:01 -0500 "Bogac Topaktas" wrote: > Dear Andreas, > > You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, this is a common > practice of large corporations (i.e., they use their financial > power first to pass initial examination stage and

Re: [music-dsp] New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution

2011-01-28 Thread Bogac Topaktas
Dear Andreas, You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, this is a common practice of large corporations (i.e., they use their financial power first to pass initial examination stage and then to prevent re-examination requests). Regarding the mentioned company, they have even patented companding sy