Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's not a philosophical point, but rather a logical point (begging the question, to be exact) Am referring to petitio principii, not to other (modern) usages of begging the question. Arrr, what about continuing this thread in French instead? :p

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
Propagating not as in copying, but as in displaying on later releases of the same track/release. Editing can only be done at the original point. I'm frankly failing to see the problem. Yes, we have inconsistency in some respects, but I don't see the urgency to fix it using some scheme that would

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a great urgency? Why not wait until there is a way to propagate AR:s to later releases of the same release/track instead of rushing ahead? Apart from the nice feeling of having complete tags with composer and all, does anyone actually

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having consistent data accross a subset of the database (see the examples above). While I understand your reasoning here, until we do have a way to carry forward ARs in practice, and not in theory, so long as the ARs are not incorrect, I

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Philipp Wolfer
On Dec 5, 2007 12:11 PM, Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think the right way to handle this is demise, then well, what can I say? :-) Demise is one thing, denying there is a problem (even if I'm the only poor soul fighting with it) is another. Nobody in this thread said there is no

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On 12/5/07, Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1- currently, both ways of documenting ARs are tolerated: editors who want to document exhaustive AR (even when entities are linked to an earlier one with already all the data) are allowed to do so, and editors who prefer to document only the

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Bram van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, as I see it: both your solutions (remove AR's from later releases; add AR's to later releases) require lots of editing effort, No. Only the later requires such efforts. The former *lights-up* editing efforts, as it makes maintenance and adding

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Philipp Wolfer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Dec 5, 2007 12:11 PM, Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think the right way to handle this is demise, then well, what can I say? :-) Demise is one thing, denying there is a problem (even if I'm the only poor soul fighting with it) is

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I do quite a bit of AR editing, Certainly. and simply link to the first release of the track if it is a re-release. This takes a lot less time than adding new AR:s. Definitely the right thing to do. I don't think this is maintenance hell but

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
Here's still something I don't get: the most repeated argument I get is Track Masters will come soon, so your problems will go away, meanwhile you have to wait But when I suggest something that actually ease the situation quite a bit (though it obviously has the drawback you mentioned), I'm

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Olivier
2007/12/5, Philip Jägenstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Propagating not as in copying, but as in displaying on later releases of the same track/release. Editing can only be done at the original point. I'm frankly failing to see the problem. Yes, we have inconsistency in some respects, but I don't

Re: [mb-style] Re: AR implicit/explicit propagation: to

2007-12-05 Thread Bram van Dijk
Well, as I see it: both your solutions (remove AR's from later releases; add AR's to later releases) require lots of editing effort, and since there will (some day) be a technical solution to these issues, the concensus seems to be that this effort can be used in more productive ways. Bram