Re: [mb-style] RFC 134: Radio program style

2012-07-07 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 7 July 2012 12:31, Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org wrote: This is RFC 134, which expires Sat Jul 14 2012. I am proposing adding these guidelines on adding radio programs to MusicBrainz: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Ianweller/Radio_program_style Jira ticket:

Re: [mb-style] Proposal: New work types (“film”, “TV show”, “video game”, “board game”, “score”) and AR (“score for”)

2012-06-30 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
I'm a bit hesitant, given that we'd be introducing a bunch of non-musical works stubs into the database, but I'm warming up to the idea. I can definitely see the value, given that we already link RGs to imdb.com and such, we could instead link them to work entities. It would make sense for

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Clarify that work types do not apply to works of popular music

2012-06-27 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 27 June 2012 01:13, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, practik kronp...@yahoo.com wrote: jesus2099 wrote practik wrote As Nicolás has pointed out on this mailing list and on Jira, the English word song can be used for music without

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Clarify that work types do not apply to works of popular music

2012-06-27 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 27 June 2012 11:46, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Per Øyvind Øygard per...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 01:13, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, practik kronp...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Clarify that work types do not apply to works of popular music

2012-06-27 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 27 June 2012 17:09, practik kronp...@yahoo.com wrote: Per Øyvind Øygard wrote So add Art song and [non-classical], and reset all Song works to nothing. This seems like a way forward, though I don't love [non-classical] because it injects a genre judgment that's not always so easy

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-05-29 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 28 May 2012 07:43, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: Hello, On 24/05/12 13:26, Per Øyvind Øygard wrote:   The Wikipedia page[1] has a fairly good history, with some notable examples. While they're not used much in the western world anymore, they're still common in Japan, [2] and [3

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC-MAMS. RG Type options : [MINI] ALBUM / [MAXI] SINGLE

2012-05-24 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 24 May 2012 09:54, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote Indeed, this is my experience too - maxisingles *and* singles are usually released for the same, well, single. Which means maxi-single is, if anything, an attribute of the release, so this

Re: [mb-style] RFC (STYLE-111): Add Mixtape/Street as a RG subtype

2012-05-22 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 16 May 2012 20:37, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: We have a problem currently with rap mixtapes, since they're not really compilations, but they're not really standard albums either (see the description for more). Until now, they tended to be entered either just as

Re: [mb-style] Should radio edit and similar go in recording title or annotation?

2012-04-04 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 3 April 2012 22:15, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: Hello, On 02/04/12 17:23, Andii Hughes wrote: Where I think things get fuzzy is if you have a title X on an album, but a compilation lists X (album version) (i.e. there is not cross-release agreement).  Here I think (album version) is

Re: [mb-style] Recording times

2011-11-27 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 27 November 2011 23:42, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote 2011/11/24, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosarevok@: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rupert Swarbrick rswarbrick@ wrote: Paul Taylor ijabz@ writes: snip: lots of text that I agree with Treating

Re: [mb-style] Idea: remove track durations from analog releases

2011-11-19 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 18 November 2011 22:00, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 11/18/2011 02:31 PM, Per Øyvind Øygard wrote: My immediate feeling is that this would cause more problems than it would solve. The primary advantage of having analog recording track times is for recording merging purposes

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add Multiple Scripts to the script list

2011-11-19 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
2011/11/14 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com: We already have a Multiple Languages option, but we lack Multiple Scripts, which applies to several of the same places where we use multiple languages (it's not too strange to have Japanese scripts, Cyrillic or Arabic in the same

Re: [mb-style] Idea: remove track durations from analog releases

2011-11-18 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 18 November 2011 18:54, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: Discussion on IRC[1] brought up the idea that perhaps it would be useful to remove the possibility of setting track durations from releases which don’t have clearly-defined track boundaries or durations (I believe this is mostly

Re: [mb-style] Complete recordings as a type of release groups

2011-11-15 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 15 November 2011 13:28, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Valery wrote: Dear all, Many labels (Bear Family Records, Ace Records, Rhino Records etc.) issue a specific type of releases usually named The Complete Recordings with a period's and/or an original label's specification

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-11-14 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
2011/11/9 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, MeinDummy meindu...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: This discussion seems to have faded out now. There are many unresolved specific issues regarding covers, translations, instrumentals, ... Most of them are beyond the remix

Re: [mb-style] RFV-228: Style/Language/Japanese

2011-10-24 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 24 October 2011 10:03, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: Majority is being america influenced on the net this is obvious even for french where many people is using american puctuation rules even if completely wrong. even the keyboard that we can buy in france are not really

Re: [mb-style] formerly solo act now a duo with same name

2011-10-09 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
This isn't all that uncommon, Bon Iver and Sunset Rubdown spring to mind. I think the best way is just to set the artist to group, and use dates to signify memberships. Adding the original solo artist as founding member should IMO suffice to indicate that it was at first a solo effort. - Per /

Re: [mb-style] About Do not cluster

2011-10-03 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 3 October 2011 13:52, Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca wrote: * PerformanceNameRelationshipType This one is unchanged, and still applicable. I'm curious how clustering applies to performance names, I can't think of a single example. Aren't all performance names tied to a

Re: [mb-style] About Do not cluster

2011-10-03 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 3 October 2011 14:26, Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca wrote: On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 14:14 +0200, Per Øyvind Øygard wrote: * TranslationTransliterationRelationshipType Not sure about how this applies. For a translated pseudo-release, it would

Re: [mb-style] RFC-rato: Add DJ-mix to the RG type list

2011-09-22 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
+1 With releases like the Fabric- and DJ Kicks-series it's somewhat laughable to simply call them Compilations, as a lot of work is put into blending the different tracks into one continuous work. 2011/9/22 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com Question: Should a dj-mixed album / EP

Re: [mb-style] Unicode objections

2011-02-09 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 8 February 2011 18:04, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 02/08/2011 10:34 AM, Per Øyvind Øygard wrote: My image viewer of choice (XnView) doesn't understand folder names with exotic typography. Anyway, this is for me the crux of the problem. There's no doubt in my mind

Re: [mb-style] Unicode objections

2011-02-08 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On 8 February 2011 17:08, Bogdan Butnaru bogd...@gmail.com wrote: (The idea *did* cross my mind, but it slipped before I thought to mention it. That’s because my music collection already has a lot of Unicode in it, and... well, even my phone doesn’t have any trouble with them (except for

Re: [mb-style] Producer vs Composer and remixes in hip hop music

2010-11-21 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:21:14 +0530, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe some of this has been debated before, but as this mailing list is horribly annoying to search in, I'll just ask. In hip hop, it is usual that the person who creates the music is credited as

Re: [mb-style] RFC2-290: Link reference list of state abbreviations to Live Bootleg Style

2010-11-19 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:55:50 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, these territories have their own entry in our release event list, have their own olympic teams, have no US voting rights, etc. etc., so why do you want to make special casing for

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-11-17 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:44:17 +0530, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, While discussing the RFC to add a Writer AR Type, it became clear that the guidelines we were discussing applied equally to other 'generic' AR types. In fact, the fact that these guidelines

Re: [mb-style] RFC2-290: Link reference list of state abbreviations to Live Bootleg Style

2010-11-16 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:42:28 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Per Øyvind Øygard per...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:19:40 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: That's rather a broad

Re: [mb-style] RFC2-290: Link reference list of state abbreviations to Live Bootleg Style

2010-11-15 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:19:40 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: That's rather a broad and incorrect summary. Just to take four of them, Micronesia has 110k residents, American Samoa has 65k, Guam has 178k, and Puerto Rico has close to 4 million. As to no

Re: [mb-style] Round 2: Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-14 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:24:13 +0530, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: So, presuming ARs are the way forward, and disambiguation of works is the issue that needs resolution, to reach a consensus on how to disambiguate works, I'd like to survey the style council with the following

Re: [mb-style] Round 2: Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-14 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:33:33 +0530, Per Øyvind Øygard per...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 21:24:13 +0530, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: So, presuming ARs are the way forward, and disambiguation of works is the issue that needs resolution, to reach a consensus on how

Re: [mb-style] Artist names for Japanese character songs: Character (CV: Artist) controversy

2010-11-14 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:19:38 +0530, Mika Heiska kilualmig...@gmail.com wrote: My preference would be for real names. We don't really need more Japanese exceptions. This has nothing to do with being japanese, other than being a bit more common. Gorillaz has the same problem, and South Park,

Re: [mb-style] Summary: Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-13 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:10:49 +0530, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: One option for disambiguating works could be to add a Comment field, in the same way that Artists have one. Considering that everything that computers need to know is in the ARs, such a free text field might

Re: [mb-style] Summary: Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-13 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:08:24 +0530, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/13 Per Øyvind Øygard per...@gmail.com On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:10:49 +0530, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: One option for disambiguating works could be to add a Comment field

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-11-11 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:28:30 +0530, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/11 SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com 2010/11/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com Sorry for not posting inline, I'm on the phone. Always requiring extra confirmation might be a bit too

Re: [mb-style] Artist Credits for Works

2010-11-09 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
Q1. Should a work have an primary artist credit (AC) or are advanced relationships (ARs) more appropriate? We shouldn't use explicit artist credits, they are notoriously inaccurate. I'd rather see an informal performer list which can be used for lookups. Q2. What is your rationale for your

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-30 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:37:46 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: All guidelines we have are based on the principle that, when you have a physical media, the informations printed on the cover, the spine, the disc or the liners are among the most reliable

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-30 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:32:32 +0530, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/30 Per Øyvind Øygard per...@gmail.com On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:37:46 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: All guidelines we have are based on the principle that, when you

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-30 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:01:01 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: It's not like the guidelines as they are written remove editor discretion. Actually, it did. The guideline said, In particular, it should not be used if: ... There is only one writer

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-30 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:35:00 +0530, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: At the risk of sounding overly pendantic, I refer you to the RFC2119[1]: 3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective RECOMMENDED, mean that there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-28 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:16:32 +0530, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/28 SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/27 Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr On 27/10/2010 02:39, SwissChris

Re: [mb-style] RFV3: Writer Relationship Type

2010-10-22 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 16:07:46 +0530, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: This is the third time this SG gets blocked at RFV stage. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeroen decided he did not care any more. I'd rather an RFV dies than is steamrolled through without proper review. That's

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Writer Relationship Type (revival)

2010-09-26 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 16:13:35 +0200, Jeroen Latour t...@jeroen.la wrote: Hi all, A while back, there was a RFC to add a Writer Relationship Type to credit songwriters. That RFC was unfortunately abandoned, but I found it when I was wondering about what to do with 'Written By' credits on

Re: [mb-style] Confused about some edit comments

2010-09-13 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:49:33 +0200, Tom Heady t...@punch.net wrote: Hello, The comments I am confused about are here: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=13199172 I was moving the release from the Special Purpose Artist '[Disney]' to Various artists, because there are multiple

Re: [mb-style] BoxSetNameStyle and Release Groups

2010-08-05 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:24:50 +0200, Andrew Conkling andrew.conkl...@gmail.com wrote: I had an idea regarding BoxSetNameStyle, in the case where box sets' releases are also available individually. An example: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/40ed05d3-8239-3d1a-a90a-543773898117.html

Re: [mb-style] Go - The Very Best of Moby

2010-07-20 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:58:53 +0200, Jan van Thiel z...@musicbrainz.org wrote: Recently, my edit http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12875332 was voted down. It was to rename Go: The Very Best of Moby to Go - The Very Best of Moby. It is against http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Subtitle_Style

Re: [mb-style] What Track ARs should become Work ARs, or both Recording and, Work ARs?

2010-03-25 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:56:13 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM, neothe0ne neothe0...@gmail.com wrote: Brian: What is the current status of the definition of a Work? There is no way for us to decide which AR's should apply to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Make Don't Make Relationship Clusters history, and no longer an official guideline

2010-03-23 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:11:54 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: The idea behind Don't Make Relationship Clusters (http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Don%27t_Make_Relationship_Clusters) was that ARs can multiply quickly. For those that don't remember that guideline

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Contains samples from IMDb link AR

2010-03-09 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:56:38 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: It being done automatically doesn't sound too difficult. It does seem like something that should only be done once, though, rather than hitting IMDb every time. Perhaps, like the suggestion for

Re: [mb-style] Still looking for Idea Champions - adopt an abandoned proposal today! :)

2010-03-04 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:21:08 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: RFC-79 Add release format: 10 vinyl RFC-80 Add release format: 12 vinyl RFC-78 Add release format: 7 vinyl I'd be happy to champion these, though I'm not sure if there's much point.

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q1: Groups and Gender

2010-02-18 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:50:20 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Question: *Person* artists have genders. Should *group* artists also be allowed to have a gender? If so, what would a male group, a female group, or other group genders, pending decision of the

Re: [mb-style] Sortname Style clarification

2009-12-25 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:36:26 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: A comment in a recent edit pointed this example out to me. Personally, it looks wrong, but I'm no expert on the artist, so I figured it's worth checking. Collaborating Artists - *Bob Dylan

Re: [mb-style] Audiobook styleguide

2009-12-11 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:32 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: This proposal has been stalled for a year or so now, and the http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AudioBook_Style still is unofficial (and the wikipage is in need of some serious attention). Fridtjof or

Re: [mb-style] Hello! Project style

2009-12-10 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:58:17 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: his guideline has been in proposal, with some minor occasional edits, since before 2005; even Google isn't being helpful when it comes to trying to track down who originally started this one.

Re: [mb-style] Splitting multi-lingual releases

2009-11-25 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:03:49 +0100, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:38:02PM +0100, Philip Jägenstedt wrote: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11509568 There's some disagreement about what to do with releases where the titles appear in multiple languages on

Re: [mb-style] What do we consider a catalogno in Musicbrainz ?

2008-09-24 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:34:40 +0200, ijabz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and then sometimes this is followed by a number like 4509-93067-0 (and sometimes not) , which is then reproduced with checksum as the barcode 745099306700 In my experience this is usually due to it actually being two cat#s,

Re: [mb-style] Removal of homeburnt discIds

2008-05-09 Thread Per Øyvind Øygard
On Fri, 09 May 2008 15:07:48 +0200, Chad Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BrianG has voted down an edit to remove a homeburnt disc ID at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8668756 The problem I have with this is that the concept of burning downloaded music is in itself old fashioned,