Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/19 symphonick > On Thu, 19 May 2011 11:59:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > > >> But I'm leaning towards just accepting the version on the liner for > >> tracknames. Or making standardization of catalogue optional, if you > >> think > >> it could work. > >> > > > > Maybe you are ri

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 19 May 2011 11:59:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> But I'm leaning towards just accepting the version on the liner for >> tracknames. Or making standardization of catalogue optional, if you >> think >> it could work. >> > > Maybe you are right, maybe that level of standardizati

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/19 symphonick > On Thu, 19 May 2011 10:19:07 +0200, caramel wrote: > > > 2011/5/19 Frederic Da Vitoria > > > > >>> > Since "We standardize the formatting of the catalog number", > > >> I don't know if I'm right, I just followed a general rule: always put a > >> space before the number. I

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 19 May 2011 10:19:07 +0200, caramel wrote: > 2011/5/19 Frederic Da Vitoria > >>> > Since "We standardize the formatting of the catalog number", >> I don't know if I'm right, I just followed a general rule: always put a >> space before the number. If this indeed changes for each catalog

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread caramel
2011/5/19 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2011/5/19 symphonick > >> On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:06:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria >> wrote: >> > Since "We standardize the formatting of the catalog number", shouldn't >> > it be >> > "B. 152" rather than "B.152"? If not (if sometimes there should be a >> > space

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/19 symphonick > On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:06:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > > Since "We standardize the formatting of the catalog number", shouldn't > > it be > > "B. 152" rather than "B.152"? If not (if sometimes there should be a > > space, > > sometimes not), I guess we should l

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-18 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 10:06:53 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> can't come up with anything more to add for the moment. Will do >> releasetitles tomorrow. I promise I won't promise this again. >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_track_names > Capitalization: "for th

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 19:49:03 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> Since there is no recording aliases, we can't have a Russian & a French >> recording name. Only one entry. >> > > Ah, yes. I guess if we internationalize MB, we will have to offer > multilingual recording names at some point. Unt

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/17 symphonick > On Tue, 17 May 2011 18:27:14 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > > > 2011/5/17 symphonick > > > >> On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:23:33 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria > >> wrote: > >> >> Just found out that we don't have recording aliases, and I'm not > >> sure we > >> >> can tag

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Nikki
symphonick wrote: > This is from the tracklist. If the limit for track name length is the same > as before, we have to use the annotation for the full title. There shouldn't be a limit now. Please feel free to test it and see. ;) Nikki ___ MusicBrai

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 18:27:14 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/17 symphonick > >> On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:23:33 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria >> wrote: >> >> Just found out that we don't have recording aliases, and I'm not >> sure we >> >> can tag from works. I suppose this means that

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/17 symphonick > On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:23:33 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> Just found out that we don't have recording aliases, and I'm not sure we > >> can tag from works. I suppose this means that for now, recordings must > >> be > >> standardized? > >> > > > > Anyhow, since

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 17:27:26 +0200, caramel wrote: >> > 4. Tracks with 2 or more works >> > I'd rather use "space slash space" (in line with Track & Release >> Titles >> > [4]) for both examples. >> > >> Ugly example (this is two songs): >> 27. BWV 244: 27a. Aria (Duett:Sopran, Alt) So ist mein

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
> > 4. Tracks with 2 or more works > > I'd rather use "space slash space" (in line with Track & Release Titles > > [4]) for both examples. > > > Ugly example (this is two songs): > 27. BWV 244: 27a. Aria (Duett:Sopran, Alt) So ist mein Jesus nun gefangen > / Chorus: Lasst ihn, haltet, bindet nicht

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
2011/5/17 caller#6 > > > On 05/16/2011 03:12 PM, symphonick wrote: > > Can I ask you good people to have a look at my research page once again, > I > > can't come up with anything more to add for the moment. Will do > > releasetitles tomorrow. > > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unoff

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:37:41 +0200, caller#6 wrote: > My feeling is that (in a perfect world) an editor should be able to add > a new release, "classical" or not, knowing only the general (non-CSG) > guidelines[1]. Standardizing and merging the Works/Recordings/ > ReleaseGroups can be done late

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 16:23:33 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/17 symphonick > >> >> my main point is that there's a >> difference between a published collection of separate pieces and a >> "super-work". In a symphony, you expect to hear movement IV after >> movement >> III. But not

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caller#6
On 05/16/2011 03:12 PM, symphonick wrote: > Can I ask you good people to have a look at my research page once again, I > can't come up with anything more to add for the moment. Will do > releasetitles tomorrow. > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_track_names > > /symphoni

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/17 symphonick > > my main point is that there's a > difference between a published collection of separate pieces and a > "super-work". In a symphony, you expect to hear movement IV after movement > III. But not organ chorales; no BWV 600 after BWV 599. > > But you wouldn't want to lose tit

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
2011/5/17 symphonick > On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:50:17 +0200, caramel wrote: > > > > I gave a link to a scan on allcdcovers... > > > http://www.allcdcovers.com/show/247049/erik_satie_pascal_roge_satie_3_gymnopdies_1984_retail_cd/back > > Thanks, the previous one didn't work here. > > > It is an Eur

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
There is a "pseudo" artist http://ngs.musicbrainz.org/search?query=gymnopedie&type=work But the composer is not listed when searching for a work to "Relate to..." a recording. I post an edit http://ngs.musicbrainz.org/edit/14460777 to see where the comment will appear... If it is useful for d

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM, symphonick wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:50:17 +0200, caramel wrote: > > >> I gave a link to a scan on allcdcovers... >> http://www.allcdcovers.com/show/247049/erik_satie_pascal_roge_satie_3_gymnopdies_1984_retail_cd/back > > Thanks, the previous one didn't work

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:50:17 +0200, caramel wrote: > I gave a link to a scan on allcdcovers... > http://www.allcdcovers.com/show/247049/erik_satie_pascal_roge_satie_3_gymnopdies_1984_retail_cd/back Thanks, the previous one didn't work here. > It is an European release (multi-language: French/E

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
> We can discuss specifics on the talkpage. Regardless of what we eventually > decide about that specific piece, my main point is that there's a > difference between a published collection of separate pieces and a > "super-work". In a symphony, you expect to hear movement IV after movement > III. B

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
2011/5/17 symphonick > > >> If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French > >> spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work) > >> > > *Even if it is a French pianist, it was not a French release. > > It would be easier if you told us the language of the release :) > I gave a li

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
On Tue, 17 May 2011 13:47:00 +0200, caramel wrote: >> "Trois Gymnopédies" - is this a multipart work (intended to play through >> from 1-3) or 3 separate pieces? Looks like separate work? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnop%C3%A9dies_%28Satie%29 > Just to resume, Satie used to write series o

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread symphonick
>> If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French >> spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work) >> > *Even if it is a French pianist, it was not a French release. It would be easier if you told us the language of the release :) >> > *comment:* piano: Pascal Rogé (1983) > *

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
@symphony > > "Trois Gymnopédies" - is this a multipart work (intended to play through > from 1-3) or 3 separate pieces? Looks like separate work? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnop%C3%A9dies_%28Satie%29 > > if separate, "Trois Gymnopédies" is not a workname and should not be in > the work nam

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/17 symphonick > Can I ask you good people to have a look at my research page once again, I > can't come up with anything more to add for the moment. Will do > releasetitles tomorrow. > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_track_names > > Capitalization: "for the langu

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/17 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2011/5/16 symphonick > >> >> > *Track #1* >> > *title:* Gymnopédie No.1 * [just a copy from cover without space >> > between "No." and "1"] >> >> If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French >> spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 symphonick > > > *Track #1* > > *title:* Gymnopédie No.1 * [just a copy from cover without space > > between "No." and "1"] > > If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French > spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work) > Just to be sure, you are stating your

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-17 Thread caramel
2011/5/17 symphonick > > >> sticking to what's printed would still mean > >> Title: String Quartet No.1 'The Kreutzer Sonata' > >> 1. Subtitle: Adagio > >> 2. Subtitle: Con moto > >> 3. Subtitle: Con moto > >> 4. Subtitle: Con moto (Adagio) > >> and that you need to combine this into > >> 1. Stri

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caramel
> I feel that you are mixing track and recording titles. I agree (more or > less) about the need for precise recording titles, but I am not so convinced > they would be necessary for track titles. > *Did you look at the disc 3 of the first release group cited as example ? It is a bit extreme (I don

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caramel
2011/5/16 symphonick > > > *Track #1* > > *title:* Gymnopédie No.1 * [just a copy from cover without space > > between "No." and "1"] > > If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French > spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work) > *Even if it is a French pianist, it wa

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 caramel > > 2011/5/16 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2011/5/16 caramel >> >>> >>> For classical music, there is no a direct relation a song = a recording >>> = a work. >>> A composition (work) is split into movements/parts (sub-works). At >>> recording level, we may have M Recordings linke

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread symphonick
>> sticking to what's printed would still mean >> Title: String Quartet No.1 'The Kreutzer Sonata' >> 1. Subtitle: Adagio >> 2. Subtitle: Con moto >> 3. Subtitle: Con moto >> 4. Subtitle: Con moto (Adagio) >> and that you need to combine this into >> 1. String Quartet No. 1 'The Kreutzer Sonata':

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caramel
2011/5/16 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2011/5/16 caramel > >> >> For classical music, there is no a direct relation a song = a recording = >> a work. >> A composition (work) is split into movements/parts (sub-works). At >> recording level, we may have M Recordings linked to N (sub)Works where M and >>

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2011-05-16 Thread symphonick
> *Track #1* > *title:* Gymnopédie No.1 * [just a copy from cover without space > between "No." and "1"] If it's a French tracklist, "N°.1" should be entered according to French spacing rules. (BTW link didn't work) > *d) title:* Gymnopédie No. 1 *[a mix... French common name + English

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caller#6
On 05/16/2011 06:39 AM, symphonick wrote: >>> sure we want a 3rd set of guidelines for titles? What's the problem with >>> using the first (printed = original) trackname for recordings? (OK >>> besides >>> language preference?) >>> >> Well, if someone manages to prove to me that having hundreds (

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 Nikki > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > > use the artist name. Now what about the MB NGS web site interface? I > haven't > > played with it enough to be have an opinion on whether it would be a > problem > > or not. Is there a situation where a user could get a list of tracks from > an >

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2011-05-16 Thread Nikki
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > use the artist name. Now what about the MB NGS web site interface? I haven't > played with it enough to be have an opinion on whether it would be a problem > or not. Is there a situation where a user could get a list of tracks from an > Artist? You can get a list of r

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2011-05-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 caramel > > For classical music, there is no a direct relation a song = a recording = > a work. > A composition (work) is split into movements/parts (sub-works). At > recording level, we may have M Recordings linked to N (sub)Works where M and > N are different ! > > For the NGS web se

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caramel
2011/5/16 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2011/5/16 symphonick > >> >> sure we want a 3rd set of guidelines for titles? What's the problem >> with >> >> using the first (printed = original) trackname for recordings? (OK >> >> besides >> >> language preference?) >> >> >> > >> > Well, if someone manages to

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 symphonick > >> sure we want a 3rd set of guidelines for titles? What's the problem with > >> using the first (printed = original) trackname for recordings? (OK > >> besides > >> language preference?) > >> > > > > Well, if someone manages to prove to me that having hundreds (or would >

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread caramel
> If we could group tracks and name that group we wouldn't have to do this, > but as it is now, removing the main-title part for tracknames would render > them useless in the majority of cases. (single-work relases & some > compilations would probably work) > Yes for example the St. John or St. Mat

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread symphonick
>> sure we want a 3rd set of guidelines for titles? What's the problem with >> using the first (printed = original) trackname for recordings? (OK >> besides >> language preference?) >> > > Well, if someone manages to prove to me that having hundreds (or would > it be > thousands?) of Allegro, A

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/16 symphonick > >> >> Given that the work title will contain and repeat all the minutiae > >> >> included in the track title above, it seems a waste to me to repeat > >> it > >> >> all in the track title. In particular, you will then be giving users > >> >> that don't want everything in th

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-16 Thread symphonick
>> >> Given that the work title will contain and repeat all the minutiae >> >> included in the track title above, it seems a waste to me to repeat >> it >> >> all in the track title. In particular, you will then be giving users >> >> that don't want everything in the title, little to choose betwe

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2011-05-13 Thread caramel
other (simple) example: from back cover: http://www.allcdcovers.com/download/f37a9e9d3cad0e1ac85ea02eb067b277/247049/78d46278eeeb881e03770a06594d80f5/4dcd38fd/erik_satie_pascal_roge_satie_3_gymnopdies_1984_retail_cd-back *Track #1* *title:* Gymnopédie No.1 * [just a copy from cover without

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2011-05-13 Thread caramel
> Once Picard handles that, yes, I don't see why someone would object to > sticking to what is printed. > It is why we should concentrate on recordings names stylization and additional info in comments, like Philharmonic Orchestra feat. conductor XXX1, piano: XXX2 () for fast disambiguation (w

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2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > > 2011/5/13 Leiv Hellebo > >> Hey guys, I'm still lurching around, but not following things closely. > >> > >> Given that the work title will contain and repeat all the minutiae > >> included i

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2011-05-13 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/13 Leiv Hellebo >> >> On 13. mai 2011 11:52, symphonick wrote: >> > On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:05:52 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> >> 2011/5/13 caramel >> > >> >>    St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One: No. 1 Chorus Herr, unse

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2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 Leiv Hellebo > On 13. mai 2011 11:52, symphonick wrote: > > On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:05:52 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > >> 2011/5/13 caramel > > > >>St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One: No. 1 Chorus Herr, unser > Herrscher > >> inserting a comma between the work title and the ca

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Leiv Hellebo
On 13. mai 2011 11:52, symphonick wrote: > On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:05:52 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> 2011/5/13 caramel > >>St John Passion, BWV 245: Part One: No. 1 Chorus Herr, unser Herrscher >> inserting a comma between the work title and the catalog number seems a >> simple request,

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2011-05-13 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 13 May 2011 10:05:52 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/13 caramel >> For track titles, we may suggest a scheme to help the editors to >> construct >> the title like >> {name of composition} [, cat #] [: part name]* [: X. movement name] >> >> in the St John Passion example (

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 13 May 2011 11:45:07 +0200, Kuno Woudt wrote: > Hello, > > On 13/05/11 10:29, symphonick wrote: >> On Fri, 13 May 2011 09:26:40 +0200, Nikki wrote: >>> Looking at the recent changes, I'm guessing it's >>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names >>> >>> Not

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 13/05/11 10:29, symphonick wrote: > On Fri, 13 May 2011 09:26:40 +0200, Nikki wrote: >> Looking at the recent changes, I'm guessing it's >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names >> >> Not sure why there's a colon rather than a slash in the title though..

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2011-05-13 Thread symphonick
On Fri, 13 May 2011 09:26:40 +0200, Nikki wrote: > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: >> Caramel, so you fond it. Obviously, your brain cells are in a better >> shape >> than mine. Could you give me the address? > > Looking at the recent changes, I'm guessing it's > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:sym

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2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 caramel > >> Returning to reality, I've just updated my wikipage with a track from St >> John Passion that's threatening to destroy my use-what's-on-liner >> philosophy. If you would be so kind & have a look. >> >> On liner, you might have lots of information (including the name of > so

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2011-05-13 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 12/05/11 20:41, Wieland Hoffmann wrote: >>> Using "minor" or "major" should be mandatory, too, otherwise we'll >>> end up with stuff like "Emin" or "e" / "E" capitalized randomly. >>> >> Always use English keys? I'd rather leave keys as printed. There's a >> lot of confusion about "rules

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Kuno Woudt
Hello, On 12/05/11 18:10, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:06 PM, caramel wrote: > One of the main options of the first fully-NGS-adapted Picard will > probably be allowing the use of recordings instead of tracks for > tagging (with the user choosing what he wants, of

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 Nikki > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > Caramel, so you fond it. Obviously, your brain cells are in a better > shape > > than mine. Could you give me the address? > > Looking at the recent changes, I'm guessing it's > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Nikki
Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > Caramel, so you fond it. Obviously, your brain cells are in a better shape > than mine. Could you give me the address? Looking at the recent changes, I'm guessing it's http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names Not sure why there's a colon

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2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 caramel > >> Returning to reality, I've just updated my wikipage with a track from St >> John Passion that's threatening to destroy my use-what's-on-liner >> philosophy. If you would be so kind & have a look. >> >> On liner, you might have lots of information (including the name of > so

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/13 symphonick > Returning to reality, I've just updated my wikipage with a track from St > John Passion that's threatening to destroy my use-what's-on-liner > philosophy. If you would be so kind & have a look. > My first idea was to look at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CSGStandard/JSBachan

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-13 Thread caramel
> > > Returning to reality, I've just updated my wikipage with a track from St > John Passion that's threatening to destroy my use-what's-on-liner > philosophy. If you would be so kind & have a look. > > On liner, you might have lots of information (including the name of soloists or characters eg.

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2011-05-12 Thread caramel
> > Using "minor" or "major" should be mandatory, too, otherwise we'll end > > up with stuff like "Emin" or "e" / "E" capitalized randomly. > > > Always use English keys? I'd rather leave keys as printed. There's a lot > of confusion about "rules" for keys. (for works we have to standardize > thoug

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 21:44:17 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/12 symphonick > >> On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:34:28 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann >> wrote: >> >> > Hallo, symphonick : >> > >> >> I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do >> >> you think must be standar

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/12 symphonick > On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:34:28 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann > wrote: > > > Hallo, symphonick : > > > >> I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do > >> you think must be standardized in track names? (not Works - that's a > >> different discussion). > > >

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 20:41:58 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann wrote: > Hallo, symphonick : > >> On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:34:28 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann >> wrote: >> >>> Hallo, symphonick : >>> I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do you think must be standardized in

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Wieland Hoffmann
Hallo, symphonick : >On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:34:28 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann > wrote: > >> Hallo, symphonick : >> >>> I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do >>> you think must be standardized in track names? (not Works - that's a >>> different discussion). >> >> I th

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:44:38 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > 2011/5/12 symphonick > >> Hi list. >> I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've >> started a research page based on the old proposal & my own >> interpretation: >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:sy

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 19:51:06 +0200, caller#6 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2011 08:57 AM, caller#6 wrote: >> >> On 05/12/2011 08:03 AM, symphonick wrote: >>> Hi list. >>> I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've >>> started a research page based on the old proposal& my ow

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:44:05 +0200, caramel wrote: > Let's take the case of Berlioz work "Les Nuits d'été". > in a German release, common name is always "les nuits d'été", should we > apply French capitalization to the common name ? no in your case, but > there > is no German capitalization too

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caller#6
On 05/12/2011 08:57 AM, caller#6 wrote: > > On 05/12/2011 08:03 AM, symphonick wrote: >> Hi list. >> I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've >> started a research page based on the old proposal& my own interpretation: >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
On Thu, 12 May 2011 18:34:28 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann wrote: > Hallo, symphonick : > >> I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do >> you think must be standardized in track names? (not Works - that's a >> different discussion). > > I think using standardized abbrevia

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caller#6
On 05/12/2011 08:44 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > [snip]... But this artificial made us use a separator, we had the bad > luck to choose the colon. Bad luck because in some languages it must > be preceded with a space, in others not. I believe this rule should > not be applied here. This co

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Wieland Hoffmann
Hallo, caller#6 : >My gut feeling is that Track Title and Recording Title should be >handled differently, as follows: > >Track Titles should get as little "normalization" as >possible/practical. > >Recording Titles (on the other hand) should be normalized much as Work >Titles will be. +1. Reco

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Wieland Hoffmann
Hallo, symphonick : >I'll continue to add (more complex) examples, but basically: what do >you think must be standardized in track names? (not Works - that's a >different discussion). I think using standardized abbreviations for music catalogues is a good idea - we shouldn't have "RV", "Rv" and

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 7:06 PM, caramel wrote: > >> >> My gut feeling is that Track Title and Recording Title should be handled >> differently, as follows: >> >> Track Titles should get as little "normalization" as possible/practical. >> >> Recording Titles (on the other hand) should be normalize

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caramel
> > My gut feeling is that Track Title and Recording Title should be handled > differently, as follows: > > Track Titles should get as little "normalization" as possible/practical. > > Recording Titles (on the other hand) should be normalized much as Work > Titles will be. The difference (in my min

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caramel
You made me understand why I was reluctant to some previous suggestions: I dislike the usage of a space here, it seems much too complicated. The first part of the track title, the work title, is an artificial addition. I agree it is necessary (else we'll end up with endless lists of Allegros and Ad

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caller#6
On 05/12/2011 08:03 AM, symphonick wrote: > Hi list. > I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've > started a research page based on the old proposal& my own interpretation: > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names&; > I'd be happy if yo

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/12 symphonick > Hi list. > I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've > started a research page based on the old proposal & my own interpretation: > http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names & > I'd be happy if you could check it out.

Re: [mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread caramel
Let's take the case of Berlioz work "Les Nuits d'été". in a German release, common name is always "les nuits d'été", should we apply French capitalization to the common name ? no in your case, but there is no German capitalization too. Commonly when there is a track title with different language of

[mb-style] CSG for NGS track & recording names: research page

2011-05-12 Thread symphonick
Hi list. I'd like to know your views on CSG for track/recording names, so I've started a research page based on the old proposal & my own interpretation: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick:Unofficial_CSG_track_names & I'd be happy if you could check it out. I'll continue to add (mor