Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Jeremy Blosser
Eugene Lee [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Having said this, I saw one feature in TheBat that I'd like to see Mutt have someday: the ability to create and use templates for new messages, replies, forwarded messages, etc. This should be possible now... 1) create the templates you want, using your

Re: signature send-hook problem

2000-03-10 Thread Byrial Jensen
On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 23:52:30 +0200, Mikko Hänninen wrote: And, incidentally, the best (or recommended) way of writing a pattern that matches everything is with a single dot, "." Well, I would say the canonical way to match everything is the ~Ã pattern. In fact "." is internally converted

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:39:45PM +, J McKitrick wrote: I just got in a debate over email clients, and my windows friend argues anything i can do in mutt, he can do in TheBat! just as easily. I checked the feature list, and it is extensive. Most of what mutt offers, thebat offers. Why

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
I suppose my main reason for using mutt is that it runs on Linux and (my version of) it can handle Unicode. I think the only other options for a Unicode MUA on Linux are Mozilla and a suitably patched bleeding-edge Emacs. (On Windows there's Outlook, of course, which apparently handles charsets

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Stefan `Sec` Zehl
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:38:22AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Having said this, I saw one feature in TheBat that I'd like to see Mutt have someday: the ability to create and use templates for new messages, replies, forwarded messages, etc. Definitely. Especially for my administrative

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 2000-03-10 10:07:11 +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Perhaps I should make jed do Unicode so I have an alternative ... This sounds like a great idea. ;-) -- http://www.guug.de/~roessler/

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Eugene Lee
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 02:20:27AM -0600, Jeremy Blosser wrote: :Eugene Lee [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: : : Having said this, I saw one feature in TheBat that I'd like to see Mutt : have someday: the ability to create and use templates for new messages, : replies, forwarded messages, etc. : :This

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 2000-03-10 02:57:41 -0800, Eugene Lee wrote: Hullo, %%%FROM%%%! I have a comment about your message about "%%%SUBJECT%%%" on %%%DATE%%%. set attribution="Hullo, %F!\n\nI have a comment about\ your message about \"%s\" on %d.\n\n\ - begin original message

Re: attachments appear as NoName

2000-03-10 Thread Stefan Bender
Hi, On Thu, Mar 09 2000 14:11:46 -0500 wrote David T-G with subject "Re: attachments appear as NoName": I've lost track of whether [the argument is that] mutt should put a 'name="*"' parameter on the Content-Type: header or [the complaint is that] mutt expects such a parameter. It seems to

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Eugene Lee
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:04:42PM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: :On 2000-03-10 02:57:41 -0800, Eugene Lee wrote: : :set attribution="Hullo, %F!\n\nI have a comment about\ : your message about \"%s\" on %d.\n\n\ : - begin original message -" :set post_indent_string="- end

Re: why is mutt better?

2000-03-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 13:57:08 -0600, David DeSimone wrote: If TheBat! does everything that he wants it to, then he should use it. No I received several messages sent by TheBat, and they weren't really RFC-compliant! It was breaking threads or something like that. Perhaps this has been

test (n/t)

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
-- -jm

'from' data in headers

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
In the pager, i see two different 'from' lines. One is the send, the other is the real sender. For example, on email from this list, i see the name of the sender, and above that is 'mutt-list-owner', or something similar. How can i get rid of that unnecessary line with 'mutt-list-owner'? --

Re: 'from' data in headers

2000-03-10 Thread Michael Elkins
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 05:12:07PM +, J McKitrick wrote: In the pager, i see two different 'from' lines. One is the send, the other is the real sender. For example, on email from this list, i see the name of the sender, and above that is 'mutt-list-owner', or something similar. How can

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Drew Bloechl
On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 11:26:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Is your shell, perhaps, checking for new mail as well? Anything that accesses the folder, as I recall, will reset the new function. Thus, --enable-buffy-size might just be the ticket after all. I have a few things checking for mail.

Re: 'from' data in headers

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:20:03AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote: On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 05:12:07PM +, J McKitrick wrote: In the pager, i see two different 'from' lines. One is the send, the other is the real sender. For example, on email from this list, i see the name of the sender,

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: I have a few things checking for mail. I did recompile with --enable-buffy-size and verified that it was in there with mutt -v, but that %N is still blank. A couple of other things to check that I can think of: 1) When you enter

Re: 'from' data in headers

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
J McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:20:03AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote: ignore 'from ' note the space after the word from, it's important. adding: ignore 'from' doesn't change anything Right, it wouldn't. Try the following line

Re: signature send-hook problem

2000-03-10 Thread David DeSimone
Byrial Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would say the canonical way to match everything is the ~A pattern. When referring to message patterns, ~A is the "true" way to match all messages, but other hooks refer to text strings, or pathnames, such as folder-hooks. For those, ~A matches

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Drew Bloechl
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 07:53:48PM +0200, Mikko H?nninen wrote: A couple of other things to check that I can think of: 1) When you enter these folders which are supposed to have new mail, does Mutt actually show any messages as new? Is it just the file browser or also the folder index too?

send-hook From: change

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
I'm having a problem getting pattern matching to work for send-hook. i want to change my From: address when i send mail to any list on freebsd.org. Here's what i have: send-hook . "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" send-hook (freebsd-*@freebsd.org) \ "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" The lists i

[j_mckitrick@bigfoot.com: send-hook From: change]

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
I'm having a problem getting pattern matching to work for send-hook. i want to change my From: address when i send mail to any list on freebsd.org. Here's what i have: send-hook . "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" send-hook (freebsd-*@freebsd.org) \ "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" The lists i

Re: 'from' data in headers

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
What is the name of the other From field? Maybe i'll try that one and compare. -- -jm

Re: jump settings when viewing mail

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Stephen Kaluzny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: I am just starting to use mutt and I would like it to not jump to a new mail message when I delete or save a message. I have searched through the online manuals and many of the various .muttrc files posted on the web and I cannot

Re: signature send-hook problem

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
How does mutt *do* all of these things with only 300K? I'm stunned by the amount of pattern matching and on-the-fly processing the prog must do, and yet it is SO fast! And totally configurable! -- -jm

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Mikko Hänninen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: that that new mail recognition didn't work unless I set $keep_empty, ... that should, of course, be $save_empty, not $keep_empty. Mikko -- // Mikko Hänninen, aka. Wizzu // [EMAIL PROTECTED] // http://www.iki.fi/wiz/ // The Corrs

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread David DeSimone
Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, in the index there are messages marked as new. That part of it has always worked. When reading the folder, Mutt can tell which messages are new, by reading the Status: headers. However, that's only done when opening a folder; when you just want to

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Drew Bloechl
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 01:17:12PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote: If the folder was modified at a later time than it was accessed, the folder is assumed to have new mail in it. Try this yourself on some folders that have had new mail delivered to them, and see if you can figure out why they

Re: [j_mckitrick@bigfoot.com: send-hook From: change]

2000-03-10 Thread Lars Hecking
J McKitrick writes: I'm having a problem getting pattern matching to work for send-hook. i want to change my From: address when i send mail to any list on freebsd.org. Here's what i have: send-hook . "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" send-hook (freebsd-*@freebsd.org) \

Re: send-hook From: change

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
J McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: send-hook . "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" send-hook (freebsd-*@freebsd.org) \ "my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" What am i doing wrong? Use "freebsd-.*@freebsd.org" as the pattern. The wildcards are standard regexp style, not

cursor location in index

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
How does mutt decide where to put the cursor in the index when changing mailboxes? It would seem the last accessed message would make sense, but i've noticed that isn't always the case. -- -jm

Re: jump settings when viewing mail

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
Try 'set resolve' or 'unset' i'm not sure which... -- -jm

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: This particular folder has an mtime greater than its atime, but mutt ... I'm at a loss to explain that, but... doesn't seem to realize that with or without BUFFY_SIZE. If you use BUFFY_SIZE, it makes Mutt ignore the

Strange header fields

2000-03-10 Thread Christian R Molls
Hi everybody, I am using GMX (a German freemail service) to collect e-mail from various accounts. Mails that have been collected with GMX have the following header lines (the example is a mail to this list): From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 10 23:43:44 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is

Re: %N in $folder_format

2000-03-10 Thread Drew Bloechl
On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:10:46PM +0200, Mikko H?nninen wrote: Are these folders where there is new mail but which aren't shown with newly created with new mail, ie. they didn't exist before new mail was added to them by whatever delivery program? I remember once finding that that new mail

Re: cursor location in index

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
J McKitrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000: How does mutt decide where to put the cursor in the index when changing mailboxes? It would seem the last accessed message would make sense, but i've noticed that isn't always the case. The logic goes something like this: - position

Re: Strange header fields

2000-03-10 Thread Mikko Hänninen
Christian R Molls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Sat, 11 Mar 2000: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 10 23:43:44 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is responsible for the garbled "From " and "Return-Path:" headers (as I don't think these are correct)? Is it GMX or is it my MTA? It's

Re: Strange header fields

2000-03-10 Thread Aaron Schrab
At 01:24 +0100 11 Mar 2000, Christian R Molls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 10 23:43:44 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is responsible for the garbled "From " and "Return-Path:" headers Nobody, since they're not garbled. The list server is using VERP

Re: Strange header fields

2000-03-10 Thread Lars Hecking
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 10 23:43:44 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who is responsible for the garbled "From " and "Return-Path:" headers (as I don't think these are correct)? Is it GMX or is it my MTA? If the latter, how can I educate my sendmail? Right now I am using

Re: Strange header fields

2000-03-10 Thread Lars Hecking
It's impossible for us to say. You'd need to look at the email headers at your ISP, before they reach your box, to be able to to answer that. If the latter, how can I educate my sendmail? rm -rf /usr/{lib,sbin}/sendmail and install a proper MTA instead? ;-) Now, that's a bit harsh.

[jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org: word wrap]

2000-03-10 Thread J McKitrick
Subject: word wrap i realize this is a bit off subject because it is somewhat of an editor problem, but it applies to mutt as well. I started using xterm with a smaller font, so more words fit per line. I got complaints about my word wrap. I have word wrap margin set to 10 in vi, but that

macros messing up browser under screen

2000-03-10 Thread Greg Matheson
I have started using screen so that I can launch lynx sessions in another window. The problem is that this has messed up the display of the mutt browser. There are error messages and reverse-video bars placed in the wrong place when I scroll through my mailboxes, whereas before it was just like