Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:35PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only e-mail is between 99% to 100% spam. HTML email is sent exclusively by three groups of people: 1. Ignorant newbies 2. Ineducable morons 3. Spammers There are no

Re: HTML-only e-mail (WAS [the near-endless line-length thread])

2012-12-10 Thread Jim Graham
Changing the subject so this (hopefully) doesn't restart the endless thread. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:42AM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:35PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only e-mail is between 99%

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Nikola Petrov
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:42AM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:35PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only e-mail is between 99% to 100% spam. HTML email is sent exclusively by three groups of people: 1.

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Dale A. Raby
Now just a cotton picking minute... HTML email is sent exclusively by three groups of people: 1. Ignorant newbies 2. Ineducable morons 3. Spammers There are no exceptions. It thus, to Jim's point, an excellent anti-spam/anti-stupidity technique to refuse all such traffic at the MTA.

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Jim Graham
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 02:33:56PM +0200, Nikola Petrov wrote: What about clients that you are doing support for? That's so easy to handle, I'm surprised to see it asked (at least, if you're using procmail). You create two (or more) rc files for procmail. For example, I have a setup that

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Dale A. Raby daler...@gmail.com [12-10-12 08:33]: ... I appologize ahead of time for this rant, but you see, I know what a DOS window is and I guess I'm getting ornery in my old age. or cp/m and audio tape storage. and *ignorance* |= stupid but lacking in knowledge and perhaps *only*

Re: email has changed, you won't change everyone, and you don't have to

2012-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59:55AM -0600, David Young wrote: One reason email software is not more useful is that because too many smart people wage a losing war on the new, foreign ways of email instead of programming filters that transform top-posted, red, 5000-column emails to the style of

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 07:30:14AM -0600, Dale A. Raby wrote: Ignorant newbies may at some point become the Michael Elkins of the future. They may. And that would be an entirely good thing, for them and for all of us. But that doesn't preclude the fact that they're ignorant newbies *today*.

Re: HTML-only e-mail (WAS [the near-endless line-length thread])

2012-12-10 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:35AM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: Changing the subject so this (hopefully) doesn't restart the endless thread. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 06:27:42AM -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:35PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: If you keep track,

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 02:33:56PM +0200, Nikola Petrov wrote: The fact that I don't know how the engine of my car works doesn't make me a newbie. That's what abstractions in our world are for. Umm, in the car world yes you'd be a newbie. Don't consider it a derogatory term. We are all

Re: Please set your line wrap to a sane value (was ... Re: Is there any gmane.org user in the list?)

2012-12-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 07:30:14AM -0600, Dale A. Raby wrote: Not all of us are IT professionals. Some of us are blacksmiths, gun salesmen, truck drivers, and even ecdysiasts. Please don't group IT professionals. and standards/ettiquette/netiquette as one. No exceptions? Really? I seem