Output of UNIX commands

2001-09-14 Thread Volker Moell

Hi, there!

The output of UNIX commands traditionally will be substituted before
the line is parsed. For the example
  my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a`
this is ok.

But is there a solution to get the output of commands which change
often, for example
  my_hdr X-Date: `date`

I tried to put it into a send_hook for ., this doesn't work, too.


Thanks in advance for hints,

-volker

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Insertion of .signature

2001-09-14 Thread Cliff Sarginson

Hello
Is it possible to associate a particular message signature to a particular mail-folder 
and/or recipient ? 

..apart from editing it that is !

-- 
Regards
Cliff





cygwin terminal messes up when loggin in from remote

2001-09-14 Thread Johannes Zellner

Hi,

when I use a cygwin terminal to log in to my linux box from windows,
the terminal is set to cygwin. As there are no termcap entries for
cygwin on my linux machine, I set the $TERM to 'ansi' which works
nicely and gives correct output for 'ls', 'vim', 'slrn' for example.
Unfortunately mutt doesn't work correctly with this setting.
What should I do to get the correct output ?

-- 
   Johannes



Re: Insertion of .signature

2001-09-14 Thread Denis Perelyubskiy

 * Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-Fri-01 00:53 -0700]:
 
 Is it possible to associate a particular message signature
 to a particular mail-folder and/or recipient ? 

yeah. i just did it today :)

the example for recepient is in the userguide ('sept they
set the 'from' header there, and not signature)

   http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.4

   For example, if you wanted to set your return address
   based upon sending mail to a specific address, you could
   do something like: 

   send-hook '~t ^me@cs\.hmc\.edu$' 'my_hdr From: Mutt User user@host'

for the signature, based on folder: (i am also setting
'from' based on folder)


# default signature. i think you need this as a means of 'resetting 
# your sig for the rest of the folders, other then the one you need
# to change
folder-hook . 'set signature=~/.signature'

# and this is how i set signature.
folder-hook =nomadix 'set signature=~/.signature.nomadix'

to do the .sig based on 'to', just combine what's in the
manual with example above

disclaimer
   i am fairly new to mutt, so the way i do things may not
   be *THE* way to do things, but this i just tested today
   and it works :)
/disclaimer

denis

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Re: cygwin terminal messes up when loggin in from remote

2001-09-14 Thread Will Yardley

Johannes Zellner wrote:
 when I use a cygwin terminal to log in to my linux box from windows,
 the terminal is set to cygwin. As there are no termcap entries for
 cygwin on my linux machine, I set the $TERM to 'ansi' which works
 nicely and gives correct output for 'ls', 'vim', 'slrn' for example.
 Unfortunately mutt doesn't work correctly with this setting.  What
 should I do to get the correct output ?

you might just use putty instead... putty looks pretty nice with mutt.

i experimented a little and 'xterm-color' seemed to work ok for me - it
probably depends on what the terminfo / termcap stuff is set like on
your linux machine.  you could try scping over the terminfo file for
cygwin perhaps someone who knows more about this stuff could suggest
a better solution?

w

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Re: cygwin terminal messes up when loggin in from remote

2001-09-14 Thread Will Yardley

Johannes Zellner wrote:
 when I use a cygwin terminal to log in to my linux box from windows,
 the terminal is set to cygwin. As there are no termcap entries for
 cygwin on my linux machine, I set the $TERM to 'ansi' which works
 nicely and gives correct output for 'ls', 'vim', 'slrn' for example.
 Unfortunately mutt doesn't work correctly with this setting.  What
 should I do to get the correct output ?

sorry for the second post on this issue.  i'm sure thomas will explain
why i'm an idiot, but copying the cygwin terminfo entry from
/usr/lib/terminfo/c to /etc/terminfo/c on my linux mail machine seemed
to do the trick.  i'm sure that's not ideal, but it seemed to work.  if
your machine uses termcap instead of terminfo, you could presumably edit
the termcap file (keeping a backup of course) and add the definition for
cygwin.

or just use putty as i mentioned before :

w

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sourcing a file in a macro

2001-09-14 Thread Eric Smith

I am trying to do something like this:
macro index y !vim /home/eric/.muttrc\nexec source /home/eric/.muttrc

The first part I have been using for years - very useful by the way
especially when you have the following autocommand 
autocmd BufRead * normal `
(returns you to where you were in the file when last edited)

Problem is I want to source the muttrc directly.

how?

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Re: sourcing a file in a macro

2001-09-14 Thread Christoph Maurer

Am Fre, 14 Sep 2001, schrieb Eric Smith:

 I am trying to do something like this:
 macro index y !vim /home/eric/.muttrc\nexec source /home/eric/.muttrc
 
 The first part I have been using for years - very useful by the way
 especially when you have the following autocommand 
 autocmd BufRead * normal `
 (returns you to where you were in the file when last edited)
 
 Problem is I want to source the muttrc directly.

This macro works fine for me to edit my aliases file
I think you should be able to adapt it.

macro   index   \ea !vim ~/.mutt/aliases\n:source ~/.mutt/aliases\n \
Edit aliases file and reload it

Christoph


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[1.3.22.1] history bug

2001-09-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre

With Mutt 1.3.22.1, when I type 's' to save a message to a mailbox:

The up arrow (history-up) seems to behave correctly, going backward
through the history. But when I use the down arrow (history-down),
instead of going forward, it still goes backward.

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Re: unmapped keys

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Steve --

Sorry for the delay in responding...

...and then Steve said...
% On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 08:44:01AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
%  
%  ...and then Steve said...
%  % I'm having a problem finding the relevant entry or `how to' in the
%  % manual on doing the following:
%  % 
%  % mapping check-mail.
%  
%  Hmmm...  I'm not exactly sure what you mean, since I can't find a
%  check-mail function anywhere.  I see that you're using 1.3.21, so you
%  probably don't even mean check-new, which was in 1.2 but isn't in 1.3
%  (or so it seems to me, but I haven't followed the 1.3 tree much at all).
%  
%  Can you give us more detail or rephrase the question?
% 
% Sure in my pager, at the bottom is a listing showing unmapped funtions -
% check-mail is one of them.

Son of a gun; I just can't find it.  I actually *did* find check-new in
1.3, but I still don't see check-mail.

I guess one of the developers is going to have to step up to this part.


% 
%  % 
%  % I've found how to alter an already mapped entry, but not how to ceate
%  % one. Suggestions?
%  
%  If you mean creating a new function, then you need to whip out your
%  editor and compiler :-)
%  
%  You can bind any function to any key, be either already bound or not,
%  with a simple :bind command (or in your muttrc file).
% 
% Ok I tried to do this from within mutt, as the manual says one can do to
% *re-map*, so logically I figured one could *map* unmapped keys as well.

Yep.


% 
% Well I would think a command to check for new mail, would be basic. Am I
% missing something here? For some reason with my configuration, I have to

Maybe that's why I'm confused.  If you mean to pop down new mail, the pop
function is bound by default to 'G' -- but it's also generally
recommended that you use fetchmail or the like instead.

Meanwhile, if you're using IMAP or reading a regular spool file or dir
and simply want to know when new mail arrives for you ... just don't do
anything!  How basic is that? :-)


% do an operation before mutt tells me there is new mail, it doesn't tell
% me if I leave it sitting static. So when looking through the pager to

Ahhh...  Your $timeout is probably set to zero or you're not waiting
the full 600 seconds of the default setting.  [I'm annoying; I have
mine cranked down to 60 :-]  That variable controls how long it should
take for mutt to give up on your doing anything (when, as you have seen,
it will also check) and check for new mail anyway.


% see what the key command would be to check for new mail, I see that at  
% it's unmapped - but mentioned specifically. Surely one can map this
% command from within mutt similar to remapping?

I should think you could.


% 
% I guess I'm overlooking something obvious - just can't see the forest
% for the trees at this point? g

Perhaps *now* we're on track :-)


HTH  HAND again

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Re: nfrm/frm in mutt ?

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Paul, et al --

...and then Paul de Weerd said...
% Hi list,
% 
% I recently switched to using Mutt for all my mail. Sure
% do like it ! But I do miss some tools I had back when

Good for you!


% using ELM, namely frm and nfrm. frm listed all mails

Yeah.  I happen to like elm's alias file format and listalias lookup tool,
too; to this day I edit my aliases in the elm file (though it is, I
admit, getting kinda big at 1400 lines) and pump it through a perl
convert script posted here long ago...

[I have started to explore lbdb but haven't put much time into it.  If
anyone out there wants to sell me on the newest alias management tool,
which must feature 

  - easy, easy, easy data entry; no forms and tab keys and whatnot
  - alias.name, Full Name, email@address, *and* comment association
  - quick, flexible lookup

to be useful to me, I'm all ears and would happily hear suggestions and
then post a summary of what I've found if there is further interest.]


% in a specified mailbox (or $MAIL if none was specified)
% and nfrm listed all new mails (I think nfrm was a
% specialized form of frm, but I'm not sure).

Yep.  Interestingly enough, though, nfrm never displayed proper results
for mailboxes not my main spool file; ffrm and nfrm were equivalent.  Odd.


% 
% Where are these great tools ? Can I simply run mutt
% with some commandline options - I did not find these
% in mutt(1). Should I build these from the source tree
% with some special make target (make nfrm) ? Do they
% not exist (but WHY !? ;-) ?

Because, although they're cool and handy, they aren't part of the
mailreader -- and that's what you get with mutt.  Search the archives
for 'code bloat' to see many fervent discussions of features, tools,
and add-ons that aren't in the mutt package and why :-)


% 
% Current solution would be downloading elm, compiling
% these tools and installing them by hand.

That's the way to get them as it stands today.  Of course, you could
always hack it like the shell script in another reply or write your own
standalone tool -- and if you do, I'm sure you could get such a package
into the contrib directory at ftp.mutt.org for everyone else!


% 
% Any thoughts ?

Many, many, many this week.  My prayers are with the world.


% 
% Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

HTH  HAND


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Re: cygwin terminal messes up when loggin in from remote

2001-09-14 Thread Thomas Dickey

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:58:05AM +0200, Johannes Zellner wrote:
 Hi,
 
 when I use a cygwin terminal to log in to my linux box from windows,
 the terminal is set to cygwin. As there are no termcap entries for
 cygwin on my linux machine, I set the $TERM to 'ansi' which works
 nicely and gives correct output for 'ls', 'vim', 'slrn' for example.
 Unfortunately mutt doesn't work correctly with this setting.
 What should I do to get the correct output ?

generally -
generate a termcap entry using infocmp and paste it into termcap.

however, it's unlikely that you are using termcap on linux, especially
for mutt, but more likely that your terminfo database is old.

see
ftp://invisible-island.net/ncurses/terminfo.src.gz

This is current (from that source):

#   Reconstructed via infocmp from file: /usr/local/ncurses/share/terminfo/c/cygwin
cygwin|ansi emulation for Cygwin, 
am, eo, in, msgr, xon, 
colors#8, cols#80, it#8, lines#25, ncv#3, pairs#64, 

acsc=+\020\,\021-\030.^Y0\333`\004a\261f\370g\361h\260j\331k\277l\332m\300n\305o~p\304q\304r\304s_t\303u\264v\301w\302x\263y\363z\362{\343|\330}\234~\376,
 
bel=^G, bold=\E[1m, clear=\E[H\E[J, cr=^M, cub1=^H, 
cud1=\E[B, cuf1=\E[C, cup=\E[%i%p1%d;%p2%dH, cuu1=\E[A, 
dch=\E[%p1%dP, dch1=\E[P, dl=\E[%p1%dM, dl1=\E[M, ed=\E[J, 
el=\E[K, el1=\E[1K, home=\E[H, hpa=\E[%i%p1%dG, ht=^I, 
hts=\EH, ich=\E[%p1%d@, ich1=\E[@, il=\E[%p1%dL, il1=\E[L, 
ind=^J, invis=\E[8m, kbs=^H, kcub1=\E[D, kcud1=\E[B, 
kcuf1=\E[C, kcuu1=\E[A, kdch1=\E[3~, kend=\E[4~, kf1=\E[[A, 
kf10=\E[21~, kf11=\E[23~, kf12=\E[24~, kf13=\E[25~, 
kf14=\E[26~, kf15=\E[28~, kf16=\E[29~, kf17=\E[31~, 
kf18=\E[32~, kf19=\E[33~, kf2=\E[[B, kf20=\E[34~, 
kf3=\E[[C, kf4=\E[[D, kf5=\E[[E, kf6=\E[17~, kf7=\E[18~, 
kf8=\E[19~, kf9=\E[20~, khome=\E[1~, kich1=\E[2~, 
knp=\E[6~, kpp=\E[5~, kspd=^Z, nel=^M^J, op=\E[39;49m, 
rc=\E8, rev=\E[7m, ri=\EM, rmir=\E[4l, rmpch=\E[10m, 
rmso=\E[27m, rmul=\E[24m, rs1=\Ec\E]R, sc=\E7, 
setab=\E[4%p1%dm, setaf=\E[3%p1%dm, 

sgr=\E[0;10%?%p1%t;7%;%?%p2%t;4%;%?%p3%t;7%;%?%p4%t;5%;%?%p6%t;1%;%?%p7%t;8%;%?%p9%t;11%;m,
 
sgr0=\E[0;10m, smir=\E[4h, smpch=\E[11m, smso=\E[7m, 
smul=\E[4m, u6=\E[%i%d;%dR, u7=\E[6n, u9=\E[c, 
vpa=\E[%i%p1%dd, 

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Re: cygwin terminal messes up when loggin in from remote

2001-09-14 Thread Thomas Dickey

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:31:52AM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:
 Johannes Zellner wrote:
  when I use a cygwin terminal to log in to my linux box from windows,
  the terminal is set to cygwin. As there are no termcap entries for
  cygwin on my linux machine, I set the $TERM to 'ansi' which works
  nicely and gives correct output for 'ls', 'vim', 'slrn' for example.
  Unfortunately mutt doesn't work correctly with this setting.  What
  should I do to get the correct output ?
 
 sorry for the second post on this issue.  i'm sure thomas will explain
 why i'm an idiot, but copying the cygwin terminfo entry from
 /usr/lib/terminfo/c to /etc/terminfo/c on my linux mail machine seemed
 to do the trick.  i'm sure that's not ideal, but it seemed to work.  if

that would work.  (It may have some errors, depending on version - the
newer cygwin terminal doesn't match, for instance, the b19.1 that I originally
tested on).

 your machine uses termcap instead of terminfo, you could presumably edit
 the termcap file (keeping a backup of course) and add the definition for
 cygwin.
 
 or just use putty as i mentioned before :

PuTTY's fine (but there are a lot of settings for it, so I wouldn't bother
trying to make terminfo entries for all of the combinations).  Out-of-the-box,
I don't think its display is very legible (requires some tweaking of fonts
and colors to make it usable), and iirc, the function-keys out-of-the-box
don't match any of the terminfo's I use.

If I want to use something that doesn't require much tinkering, I use
Tera Term.

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OT: Trying to install mailman

2001-09-14 Thread Matj Cepl

Hi,

trying to get off-line IMAP up and running (on RedHat 7.0/i386). Tried
isync, but it unfortunately use maildir format for mailboxes (I prefer
standard mbox). So, I found a mailsync (on
http://mailsync.sourceforge.net). However, I have no success with its
compilation. First, I tried to compile it with imap-devel-2001.3 package
by setting up particular variables to /usr/include, but it failed saying 
that it is not possible *or, and *not in the names of variables  with
C++. Therefore, I tried to compile original c-library from
imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451 from UW IMAP homepage. No, success (the 
same mistake -- only it complained also about *and, to make it complete 
:-).

Does anybody have succeeded with compilation of mailsync and could he 
send me working .src.rpm, please? Or would anybody advice, what should 
I do to be able to compile (preferably, over imap-devel) mailsync? Or 
is it possible to persuade insync to use mbox folders?

Thank you very much

Matej Cepl



OT: Trying to install mailman

2001-09-14 Thread Matj Cepl

Hi,

trying to get off-line IMAP up and running (on RedHat 7.0/i386). Tried
isync, but it unfortunately use maildir format for mailboxes (I prefer
standard mbox). So, I found a mailsync (on
http://mailsync.sourceforge.net). However, I have no success with its
compilation. First, I tried to compile it with imap-devel-2001.3 package
by setting up particular variables to /usr/include, but it failed saying 
that it is not possible *or, and *not in the names of variables  with
C++. Therefore, I tried to compile original c-library from
imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451 from UW IMAP homepage. No, success (the 
same mistake -- only it complained also about *and, to make it complete 
:-).

Does anybody have succeeded with compilation of mailsync and could he 
send me working .src.rpm, please? Or would anybody advice, what should 
I do to be able to compile (preferably, over imap-devel) mailsync? Or 
is it possible to persuade insync to use mbox folders?

Thank you very much

Matej Cepl



g++ -g -I../imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451/c-client -g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -O6
-c -o mailsync.o mailsync.c
In file included from mailsync.c:17:
../imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451/c-client/c-client.h:27:9: and cannot be used as a 
macro name in C++
../imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451/c-client/c-client.h:28:9: or cannot be used as a 
macro name in C++
../imap-2001.BETA.SNAP-0107221451/c-client/c-client.h:29:9: not cannot be used as a 
macro name in C++
make: *** [mailsync.o] Error 1



Re: send-hook, folder-hook

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Peter --

...and then Peter Lavender said...
% Hi everyone,

Hello again!


% 
% I thought I had this working, but seems that I have broken something,
% and I'm not sure I'm using send and folder-hook correctly.

Did my hook examples and muttrc.* files help you?  I was going to go back
to a note I sent out recently in response to a similar request -- but it
was to you! :-)


% 
% What I need to have happen is that my .sig changes, my From address is
% correct (which it is) and the reply-to: header is correct, and remove
% the vanitity headers.

Shouldn't be too tough.  Let's see, here...


% 
% Thanks...
% 
% =
% # Setup the rest as defaults.
% folder-hook .set signature=~/.signature
% 
% folder-hook .unmy_hdr *

Brutal, eh? :-)


% folder-hook .my_hdr From: Peter Lavender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% 
% send-hook   .my_hdr X-Operating-System: Linux/`uname -r` (`uname
% -m`)
% send-hook   .my_hdr X-Uptime: \`uptime\`

This will do, but you might want to make these folder-hook calls instead
of using send-hook 'cuz you want to change them based on folder.  You
also might look at wrapping the my_hdr side in single quotes; I believe
you'll find with this setup that uptime gets evaluated once and then,
even if you have mutt running for three days, it never changess.  The
single quotes will force it to be evaluated when you expect it to be.

You might also check through the archives; this is only from memory.


% 
% # Maxware config
% folder-hook maxware unmy_hdr *

While this will undo headers as you expect, they won't stay that way;
anything that's a send-hook will get executed when you start to send a
new message.


% folder-hook maxware set sort=reverse-date-received

That will do -- though that's the LookOut! way of sorting ;-)


% 
% #folder-hook maxware reply-to=
% folder-hook maxware my_hdr From: Peter Lavender
% [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% folder-hook maxware my_hdr Organization:MaXware Australia

Those should do since you can safely set such things at the folder level.


% 
% #send-hook maxware unmy_hdr X-Operating-System: Linux/`uname -r`
% (`uname -m`)
% #send-hook maxware unmy_hdr X-Uptime: \`uptime\`

Your first posting was better, I think, since you'll need to undo
these headers for every mail -- unless you unhook them when you enter
the folder.  To wipe a header, though, you need only

  unmy_hdr X-Hook-Name:

without the RHS data that you provide when you create it.


% folder-hook maxware set signature=~/mail/maxware.sig

That ought to work just fine; the folder-hook here matches the
folder-hook above.


% 
% fcc-hook maxware ~/mail/maxware-sent

That ought to do well, too, though you might want to make a directory
~/mail/maxware and then save under it just as you do your regular mail
(assuming you'd use save_name instead of just one big =sent).  See the %O
expando for more if you don't want to reset $folder for your maxware mail.


% 
% 
% Regards,

HTH  HAND again


% 
% Pete.
% 
% -- 
%   Due to a lack of imagination, 
%   this signature will remain 
%   under construction indefinately.
  ^
I can't take it any more.  It's right here ---+ :-)


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Re: Fix for PGP copyright thing...

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Jean-Sebastien --

...and then Jean-Sebastien Morisset said...
% I don't know about you guys, but I got tired of PGP's (version 6.5.8)
% copyright message. Here's a little script I wrote called
% 'pgp-no-copyright':

Cool; thanks.  Sec Zehl had written a patch back in the 0.95 days which
condensed the PGP output and was very nice, but I've had to abandon it
because mutt has changed too much.  Anyone feel like taking it up again?

${1+$@}

% 
% ---BEGIN---
% #!/bin/sh
...
% pgp $* 2$PGP_ERR 1$PGP_OUT

BTW, you might want to modify your script to protect any arguments with
embedded spaces.  Change the line above to

  pgp ${1+$@} 2$PGP_ERR 1$PGP_OUT

and you're golden.  [BTW, I haven't *yet* found this in any shell
documentation since I saw it in a shell programming tip; can anyone
provide me a pointer for further research?]


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Re: esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Cliff --

...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
% Hello
% The esct toggle thread tagging only works when only the index

Er, toggle-thread?  I have that as 'tag-thread' in my keybindings...


% is displayed, not if you have the index above and a message
% below in the screen.

Right; it's bound in the index but not in the pager.


% Is there a reason for this ?
% Seems a bit odd.

I'd think that it's because you'd want to tag a whole thread only from
the index, since you [probably] can't get a picture of the whole thread
from the single-message pager view.


% 
% -- 
% Regards
% Cliff
% 
% Sending an email as follows will get you my public gpg key...
% 
% To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
% Subject: send public key
% 

HTH  HAND


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Re: [OT] Content-Disposition: inline?

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Justin --

...and then Justin R. Miller said...
...
% Mutt problem, but I'd like to learn what the deal is either way and this
% list has the kind of people who tend to know this stuff :-

*grin*


% 
% I send my mail with Mutt and I always sign it with GnuPG.  That results

Good for you!


% in the message going out as two (or more) parts -- the message, and the
% signature.  Both have a 'Content-Disposition: inline' header, which I
% take it means that the MUA is supposed to display the attachment inline,
% since both are of type text/plain.  

Yep.


% 
% Anyway, I just got a mail from a user on a rather low-tech mailing list
% complaining that all of my mail comes up blank with two attachments --
% the two parts mentioned above.  She's using:
% 
%   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300

Ha ha ha hahahahaha ;-)


% 
% I'll bet my life savings on which one of us has the real problem :-D
% Regardless, I was wondering if anyone would be able to confirm for me
% what exactly that is?  

LookOut! is just stupid; you're right.

If you know you're sending to Outhouse users, you can set your
$pgp_create_traditional to help, but they still won't be able to see
the message in the preview pane, IIRC.

Shane Wegener's pgp_outlook_compat patch is excellent for this, and I've
used it quite happily.  It manages to so brutally mangle your outgoing
message that it's visible on the other end.

See my posting of a few minutes ago for a URL.


% 
% Thanks in advance!  

HTH  HAND


% 
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% --


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Re: Output of UNIX commands

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Volker --

...and then Volker Moell said...
% Hi, there!

Hello!


% 
% The output of UNIX commands traditionally will be substituted before
% the line is parsed. For the example
%   my_hdr X-Operating-System: `uname -a`
% this is ok.

Yep.


% 
% But is there a solution to get the output of commands which change
% often, for example
%   my_hdr X-Date: `date`

Yep :-)


% 
% I tried to put it into a send_hook for ., this doesn't work, too.

Wrap it in single quotes, IIRC, to force evaluation at call-time instead
of load-time (as it's read in the muttrc file).


% 
% 
% Thanks in advance for hints,

HTH  HAND


% 
% -volker
% 
% -- 
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Re: Output of UNIX commands

2001-09-14 Thread Volker Moell

I wrote:
 But is there a solution to get the output of commands which change
 often, for example
   my_hdr X-Date: `date`

Anser to myself: Quote the backticks. \`...\`
(Thanks to Peter due to his send-hook . my_hdr X-Uptime: \`uptime\`!)

-volker

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Re: Outlook patch...

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

J-S --

...and then Jean-Sebastien Morisset said...
% I've read about the 'outlook patch' in a few messages, but haven't been
% able to find it anywhere. Can someone point me to a URL with the patch for
% mutt v1.2.5?

Surf over to 

  http://mutt.sector13.org/mutt-build-cocktail/Old/

and look for patch-1.2.5.sw.pgp-outlook.1* (or back up one for the 1.3.15
version).


% 
% Thanks,
% js.
% -- 
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% Personal Homepage http://jsmoriss.mvlan.net/
% This is Linux Country. On a quiet night you can hear Windows NT reboot!
%  please pgp encrypt all correspondence 

For that we'd need an encrypting mailing list -- the idea of which I
like, I must say, but which I haven't seen.


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Re: repeat a command x times

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

David --

...and then David said...
% Sorry for the double mail I sent it prematurely.  

I wondered about that...


% 
% Is there a way to repeat a command [n] times?  (again, mimicing the
% vi number modifiers to most any command).  

I'd say that you ought to look into tagging, or perhaps limiting and then
tagging, messages and then applying your command to all of them at once.


% 
% /db

HTH  HAND


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Re: esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?

2001-09-14 Thread Olaf Schulz

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:08:46AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
 ...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
 % Hello
 % The esct toggle thread tagging only works when only the index
 
 I'd think that it's because you'd want to tag a whole thread only from
 the index, since you [probably] can't get a picture of the whole thread
 from the single-message pager view.

Oh, you can, if having set (in .muttrc or manually)
  set pager_index_lines=7
(something greater 1)

But (at least in mutt 12.5i) trying to type ':tag-thread' while in the pager
has no effect. Maybe it's a problem with the programming logic behind it that
makes it impossible to have tag-thread available in the pager?

Olaf



Re: mutt exchange

2001-09-14 Thread Johannes Zellner

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 04:05:26PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
 Johannes Zellner mutt [12/09/01 12:04 +0200]:
  how do I use mutt with an EXCHANGE server ?
  Actually I can already READ mail by having
  set imap_user=my name
  set imap_pass=my pass
 
  but if I try to SEND mail, it tells me
  Error 127 .. Exec error.
  
 Mutt doesn't have a builtin smtp client of any kind.  See if you can compile
 Masqmail / Nullmailer on cygwin (or download Mercury from
 http://www.pmail.com) and config that to smarthost through your exchange box
 (or if you have a NAT'ted connection to the 'net, use mercury to send direct
 to MX)
 
  If someone has any EXCHANGE related tips, please share them with me!
  (Using mutt / UNIX since quite a while, my job forces me now to
  work on this OS-wannabe).

hmm. I've installed ssmtp from cygwin now, configured it and
succeed in doing:

# echo fred | ssmtp some@address

ssmtp is not running as daemon. Now I've configured mutt with

sendmail=ssmtp

but I still get the message

Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.).

To summarize: I can send mails with ssmtp from command line
but not from mutt.


-- 
   Johannes



Re: esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?

2001-09-14 Thread Cliff Sarginson

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 01:54:45PM +0200, Olaf Schulz wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:08:46AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
  ...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
  % Hello
  % The esct toggle thread tagging only works when only the index
  
  I'd think that it's because you'd want to tag a whole thread only from
  the index, since you [probably] can't get a picture of the whole thread
  from the single-message pager view.
 
 Oh, you can, if having set (in .muttrc or manually)
   set pager_index_lines=7
 (something greater 1)
 
 But (at least in mutt 12.5i) trying to type ':tag-thread' while in the pager
 has no effect. Maybe it's a problem with the programming logic behind it that
 makes it impossible to have tag-thread available in the pager?
 
 Olaf

Mmm. I have my mutt set up a-la-Olaf, I see some of the message and some
of the index..I think it would definitely be useful to tag-thread when in
the pager, In a sense in this case you are both in the pager and in the index
after all..

-- 
Regards
Cliff





Re: esc t ..why doesn't work when a message is displayed?

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Olaf, et al --

...and then Olaf Schulz said...
% On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 07:08:46AM -0400, David T-G wrote:
%  
%  I'd think that it's because you'd want to tag a whole thread only from
%  the index, since you [probably] can't get a picture of the whole thread
%  from the single-message pager view.
% 
% Oh, you can, if having set (in .muttrc or manually)
%   set pager_index_lines=7
% (something greater 1)

Well, yeah; I have that, too.  But try seeing the whole thread on, say,
the edit_threads patch thread ;-)


% 
% But (at least in mutt 12.5i) trying to type ':tag-thread' while in the pager
% has no effect. Maybe it's a problem with the programming logic behind it that
% makes it impossible to have tag-thread available in the pager?

I have no answer for that, since I'm no coder by far.  But perhaps that's
why it's not bound in the pager by default :-)

Yes, it seems to me that just about every function should be available
just about everywhere.  Go figure.


% 
% Olaf


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Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Ailbhe, et al --

...and then Ailbhe Leamy said...
% 
...
% Query: why do people pgp-sign mail to mailing lists?

Why not?  You put your home page in your signature, for instance; you
have a mailing address that you list that is suitable for replies.

It is my not-so-humble opinion that everyone everywhere should be signing
and encrypting all of the time, except as required (don't sign if you want
to be anonymous or don't encrypt if the message is for mass distribution --
you get the idea).  Everything I can do to encourage such behavior and
raise everyone's awareness is thus a good thing.  Since I don't often
have to post anonymously (though I generally don't have a problem with
those who do), I can sign everything.

Here, of all places, it should be no biggie; mutt can handle GPG/PGP with
ease, and procmail/formail could strip out the signature entirely, and
this is the group that would know how to do it.


% 
% Ailbhe
% 
% -- 
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Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread Ailbhe Leamy

On (14/09/01 09:41), David T-G wrote:

 ...and then Ailbhe Leamy said... %

 % Query: why do people pgp-sign mail to mailing lists?

 Why not?  You put your home page in your signature, for instance; you
 have a mailing address that you list that is suitable for replies.

Having a valid From: address is hardly the same as adding a
pgp-signature to things.

Having a sigfile doesn't seem like the same thing to me, either.

 It is my not-so-humble opinion that everyone everywhere should be
 signing and encrypting all of the time, except as required (don't sign
 if you want to be anonymous or don't encrypt if the message is for
 mass distribution -- you get the idea).

Yes, but _why_?

In what way is it useful to pgp-sign or encrypt a mail that is for
distribution to a mailing list? You are aware of the fact that there are
archives?

 Everything I can do to encourage such behavior and raise everyone's
 awareness is thus a good thing.  Since I don't often have to post
 anonymously (though I generally don't have a problem with those who
 do), I can sign everything.

OK. That's really useful. I see this. Er. Where's your public key? And
how do I verify that it _is_ your public key? If I can't, what possible
use could it be?

 Here, of all places, it should be no biggie; mutt can handle GPG/PGP
 with ease, and procmail/formail could strip out the signature
 entirely, and this is the group that would know how to do it.

I repeat: archives?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mutt-users/message/21394

Ailbhe

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Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread Andy Smith

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:04:55PM +0100, Ailbhe Leamy wrote:

 In what way is it useful to pgp-sign or encrypt a mail that is for
 distribution to a mailing list? You are aware of the fact that there are
 archives?

Because someone can send an email to a mailing list purpoting to be
from you that can cause a lot of damage, e.g. some form of hoax.  A
signed email can only be from you (assuming web of trust works as
intended).

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Re: send-hook, folder-hook

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Tatge

Peter Lavender muttered:
 I thought I had this working, but seems that I have broken something,
 and I'm not sure I'm using send and folder-hook correctly.
 
 What I need to have happen is that my .sig changes, my From address is
 correct (which it is) and the reply-to: header is correct, and remove
 the vanitity headers.
 
 =
 # Setup the rest as defaults.
 send-hook   .my_hdr X-Operating-System: Linux/`uname -r` (`uname -m`)
 send-hook   .my_hdr X-Uptime: \`uptime\`

These send-hooks will always apply regardless what to specify in the
folder-hooks.

 folder-hook maxware unmy_hdr *
 
 #send-hook maxware unmy_hdr X-Operating-System: Linux/`uname -r`
 (`uname -m`)
 #send-hook maxware unmy_hdr X-Uptime: \`uptime\`

As I understand the manual you're not using the unmy_hdr function
correcly. The manual section 3.12.
unmy_hdr field
To remove user defined header fields, use the ``unmy_hdr'' command.
You may specify an asterisk (``*'') to remove all header fields, or
the fields to remove.  For example, to remove all ``To'' and ``Cc''
header fields, you could use:

 unmy_hdr to cc

unmy_hdr X-Uptime X-Operating-System

Is what you need here. 

HTH,

Michael
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Re: serial mail

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Tatge

Matthias LOITSCH muttered:
 just another question :)
 
 i want to send a mail to many persons, but they shouldnt see that they mail is
 not sent only to them.
 with the Bcc i have to specify a To Adress... 

No, you don't. Well, sort off. :)
alias bcc undisclosed-recipients: ;
And enter bcc at the To: Prompt.

 quite the same question : can i change one word in each mail ?
 for example : hello name1
   hello name2

Tricky if you use the Bcc: header to write to multiple recipients.
Sendmail experts, anyone?

HTH,

Michael
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Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread Justin R. Miller

Thus spake Andy Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 Because someone can send an email to a mailing list purpoting to be
 from you that can cause a lot of damage, e.g. some form of hoax.  A
 signed email can only be from you (assuming web of trust works as
 intended).

And I would add that although many people don't normally send them,
patches and other attachments are included in the verification process.
It can't hurt to have their content verified to assure that they weren't
changed during sending.  

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More on .signatures

2001-09-14 Thread Cliff Sarginson

Hello
I am using send-hooks for different signatures.
For example

# Default signature
#
send-hook . 'set signature=~/.signature'
# Dutch signature
#
send-hook .*\.nl 'set signature=~/.signature.nl'

The second one signs my mail with a dutch signature if sending
to a Dutch address.

However I want to make an exception for certain people..for example..
# Personal signature
#
send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'set signature=~/.signature.duivel'

This does not work, whatever order I put them in.
It still sends the .signature.nl

Hints ?

-- 
Regards
Cliff





Re: More on .signatures

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Cliff --

...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
% Hello
% I am using send-hooks for different signatures.
...
% 
% This does not work, whatever order I put them in.
% It still sends the .signature.nl

Various hooks are handled differently; send-hooks, IIRC, stop at the
first match.  Are you sure you've tried

  default
  duivel
  nl

in that order (sorry, but...)?  Nothing else looks out of the ordinary...


% 
% Hints ?

HTH  HAND


% 
% -- 
% Regards
% Cliff
% 


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Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Ailbhe, et al --

...and then Ailbhe Leamy said...
% On (14/09/01 09:41), David T-G wrote:
% 
%  ...and then Ailbhe Leamy said... %
% 
%  % Query: why do people pgp-sign mail to mailing lists?
% 
%  Why not?  You put your home page in your signature, for instance; you
%  have a mailing address that you list that is suitable for replies.
% 
% Having a valid From: address is hardly the same as adding a
% pgp-signature to things.
% 
% Having a sigfile doesn't seem like the same thing to me, either.

I accept both of those points.  I also reserve the right to draw the
same thing line anywhere I please.


% 
%  It is my not-so-humble opinion that everyone everywhere should be
%  signing and encrypting all of the time, except as required (don't sign
%  if you want to be anonymous or don't encrypt if the message is for
%  mass distribution -- you get the idea).
% 
% Yes, but _why_?

Why use PGP/GPG?  Because it should be mainstream and available to all,
it should be easy to use and familiar to all, and private communication
should be both avaiable and commonplace rather than challenging and
noteworthy.


% 
% In what way is it useful to pgp-sign or encrypt a mail that is for

I can't think of a time I'd encrypt a mail to a mailing list, since I
don't know of any encryption-aware mailing list servers (though such
things have been discussed even here).  It's useful to sign a message so
that others can confirm that the message came from me as they see it --
whether because I am concerned about forgery, concerned about a patch or
piece of code being maliciously modified, or concerned about my messages
being accidentally munged in transmission (found on this list only a
month or two ago and bought to my attention by a guy -- whose name I have
now forgotten but whose attention is still appreciated -- who wondered
why my messages kept saying bad signature and eventually tracked down
to an added space and newline, IIRC).


% distribution to a mailing list? You are aware of the fact that there are
% archives?

Yes.  I must admit that I don't see your point here, though.


% 
%  Everything I can do to encourage such behavior and raise everyone's
%  awareness is thus a good thing.  Since I don't often have to post
%  anonymously (though I generally don't have a problem with those who
%  do), I can sign everything.
% 
% OK. That's really useful. I see this. Er. Where's your public key? And

At the moment I'm in transition, so you'll not find a public key for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] out there; sorry about that, but you can find
it if you look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and messages sent there will get
to me.  You can, however, find my key on the public key servers as well
as at my web site; just ask.


% how do I verify that it _is_ your public key? If I can't, what possible
% use could it be?

It's a start.  I haven't been to any signing parties, I admit, but there
are those who have bothered to contact me directly and exchange keys.


% 
%  Here, of all places, it should be no biggie; mutt can handle GPG/PGP
%  with ease, and procmail/formail could strip out the signature
%  entirely, and this is the group that would know how to do it.
% 
% I repeat: archives?
% http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mutt-users/message/21394

Looks fine to me.  I still don't see your point.  You can't be arguing
that I shouldn't sign my messages because the archive server can't read
'em, and I can't imagine that you'd argue that signing is useless because
the archive doesn't retain it (but if you are my answer is So what? I
have no particular interest in the archives and can't help that the
signature is stripped.).


% 
% Ailbhe
% 
% -- 
% Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/

Thanks for the discussion.  I'm happy to continue, since I feel that I
have a position that can be logically defended, but I don't have to and
certainly don't have to on the list to the borement of most or all.  I
welcome your reply.


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Re: More on .signatures

2001-09-14 Thread Cliff Sarginson

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:44:38PM -0400, David T-G wrote:
 Cliff --
 
 ...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
 % Hello
 % I am using send-hooks for different signatures.
 ...
 % 
 % This does not work, whatever order I put them in.
 % It still sends the .signature.nl
 
 Various hooks are handled differently; send-hooks, IIRC, stop at the
 first match.  Are you sure you've tried
 
   default
   duivel
   nl
 
 in that order (sorry, but...)?  Nothing else looks out of the ordinary...

Yes they are in that order.
If I remove the normal Dutch signature, then my duivel signature is
used as expected.
Yup send hooks stop at the first match (I perused manual for any gotcha's)
So... ??
Bug ? (I am a programmer, and I am the last to cry bug ! lol)

-- 
Regards
Cliff





Re: Mutt + PGP

2001-09-14 Thread Justin R. Miller

Thus spake David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 concerned about my messages being accidentally munged in transmission
 (found on this list only a month or two ago and bought to my attention
 by a guy -- whose name I have now forgotten but whose attention is
 still appreciated -- who wondered why my messages kept saying bad
 signature and eventually tracked down to an added space and newline,
 IIRC).

That'd be me :-D

 At the moment I'm in transition, so you'll not find a public key for
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] out there; sorry about that, but you can find
 it if you look for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and messages sent there will
 get to me.  You can, however, find my key on the public key servers as
 well as at my web site; just ask.

If my GnuPG setup doesn't find the key on the automatic retrieve (either
because it hasn't mirrored across or isn't on the keyservers at all),
then I will often email the person requesting it from them.  I've found
100% cooperation in about two dozen occurances of this.  Sometimes,
also, a URL will be named in their signature and/or their headers.  

 % how do I verify that it _is_ your public key? If I can't, what
 possible % use could it be?
 
 It's a start.  I haven't been to any signing parties, I admit, but
 there are those who have bothered to contact me directly and exchange
 keys.

Ailbhe, you should read up on the web of trust.  While it is the weak
point in public key crypto, it answers your question.  

Please keep in mind that I don't mean these comments to be inflammatory,
and I don't think David does either.  I just foresee that everyone will
at some point be using crypto, and that leaving a digital signature off
of a message will be seen with the same disdain as failing to add a
subject header.  

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Bouncing messages from a specific email

2001-09-14 Thread Gord Mc.Pherson

Hi,

   Is there a way to have mutt automatically bounce a message from a
specific email address. The only reference to bouncing email is
'bounce_delivered' and I don't think it's the option I'm looking for.

   Any suggestions are welcome?

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Re: strange mail header (was Re: package or patch?)

2001-09-14 Thread Joan Picanyol

El Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:27:13AM +, Daniel Biddle va escriure:
 Your message said:
 
 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; de [EMAIL PROTECTED] sobre Sun,
 +Sep 09, % Y a les 06:48
 
+-0400~? ¡¢£ñ¥ª§¿ª«¬¡«»°±²µ¶·º»11¿ÄÅÆÇ+ÉÑÖÜßàáâäåæçèéêëìíîïñòóôö÷°ùúûü²ÿ
 
 Any idea how that happened?
Not at all, however, this is what I can tell you:

joan:/home/joan # printenv | grep ca_ES
LC_ALL=ca_ES
LANG=ca_ES
LANGUAG=ca_ES

joan:/home/joan # mutt -v
Mutt 1.2.5i (2000-07-28)
Copyright (C) 1996-2000 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: Linux 2.4.3 [using ncurses 5.2]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  -USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK
-USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  -USE_SSL  +USE_POP  +HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_PGP  -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  +ENABLE_NLS
SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
MAILPATH=/var/mail
SHAREDIR=/usr/share
SYSCONFDIR=/etc
-ISPELL

I replied with L, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is sourced in .muttrc

Hope it satisfies you curiosity...
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Re: More on .signatures

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Cliff --

...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
% On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 02:44:38PM -0400, David T-G wrote:
%  
%  ...and then Cliff Sarginson said...
%  ...
%  % 
%  % This does not work, whatever order I put them in.
%  % It still sends the .signature.nl
%  
%  Various hooks are handled differently; send-hooks, IIRC, stop at the
%  first match.  Are you sure you've tried
%  
%default
%duivel
%nl
%  
%  in that order (sorry, but...)?  Nothing else looks out of the ordinary...
% 
% Yes they are in that order.
% If I remove the normal Dutch signature, then my duivel signature is
% used as expected.

Hmmm...


% Yup send hooks stop at the first match (I perused manual for any gotcha's)

That's good to confirm.


% So... ??

It's beyond me; perhaps someone else can step in.


% Bug ? (I am a programmer, and I am the last to cry bug ! lol)

*grin*


% 
% -- 
% Regards
% Cliff
% 


:-D
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Re: Bouncing messages from a specific email

2001-09-14 Thread David T-G

Gord --

...and then Gord Mc.Pherson said...
% Hi,
% 
%Is there a way to have mutt automatically bounce a message from a
% specific email address. The only reference to bouncing email is
% 'bounce_delivered' and I don't think it's the option I'm looking for.

The only thing of which I can think for mutt would be a macro that
searches for and tags messages matching that email address and then uses
tag-bounce (;b) to send 'em on, but that's frought with holes in the
event of no matching messages and ain't terribly convenient.

I'd use procmail and feed the offending to sendmail, personally, perhaps
even adding X-Resent-Automatically-By: headers of some sort.


% 
%Any suggestions are welcome?

HTH  HAND


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Re: More on .signatures

2001-09-14 Thread Michael Hall

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:25:18PM +0200, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

  Various hooks are handled differently; send-hooks, IIRC, stop at the
  first match.  Are you sure you've tried
  
default
duivel
nl
  
  in that order (sorry, but...)?  Nothing else looks out of the ordinary...
 
 Yes they are in that order.
 If I remove the normal Dutch signature, then my duivel signature is
 used as expected.
 Yup send hooks stop at the first match (I perused manual for any gotcha's)
 So... ??
 Bug ? (I am a programmer, and I am the last to cry bug ! lol)

Been using Mutt for ages but never played around with hooks (except the
basic fcc-save) before but recently started using send/folder hooks to
set various stuff. I had some problems at first with order, hooks over-
riding each other, etc. but finally got this configured and working.

FWIW, I found this in the docs (and it seems to work this way for me)

Usage: send-hook [!]pattern command 

This command can be used to execute arbitrary configuration commands based
upon recipients of the message. pattern is a regular expression matching the
desired address. command is executed when regexp matches recipients of the
message. When multiple matches occur, commands are executed in the order they
are specified in the muttrc. 

It doesn't appear they stop at the first match, I use this and it works for
me:

send-hook . 'my_hdr From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
send-hook @.*some.domain  'my_hdr From: ...'
send-hook @.*other.domain 'my_hdr From: ...'

If it did stop at the first match it'd never get any farther than the first
one which sets a default for all addresses. I don't know maybe I'm missing
something but it works for me.

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shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Drew Raines

I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt
instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving.

If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why?

-- 
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Re: shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Danny O'Brien

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:02:58PM -0500, Drew Raines wrote:
 I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt
 instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving.
 
 If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why?

You don't get kicked out - mutt forks a new shell. Type 'exit' or ctrl-D
to return to your previous mutt enjoyment.

d.

 
 -- 
 Drew
 



Re: shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Volker Moell

Drew Raines wrote:
 I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt
 instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving.

Not really: Type exit and you get back to mutt. It's just a sub shell.


 If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why?

Don't know...

-volker

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inline GnuPG signature

2001-09-14 Thread Rino Mardo

hi.  i noticed that on going out my gpg signed emails are sent as
another mime attachments which could be annoying to users who have
gui mua's.  how can i setup mutt so that gpg signs all appear together
with the body of the message?

thanks.

-- 
In is out and out is in.  But out is out and in is in.
-- Pumbaa

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Re: shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Drew Raines

* Danny O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You don't get kicked out - mutt forks a new shell. Type 'exit' or ctrl-D
 to return to your previous mutt enjoyment.

Ah.  That would explain why one day when I was confirming this behavior,
there were many, many mutt processes running :)

Thanks.

-- 
Drew



Re: shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Dan Boger

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:02:58PM -0500, Drew Raines wrote:
 I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt
 instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving.
 
 If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why?

it doesn't actually kick you out of mutt... it just gives you a shell..
type exit, you'll find yourself back in good 'ol mutt :)

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Re: shell escape (!) oddity

2001-09-14 Thread Cliff Sarginson

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:02:58PM -0500, Drew Raines wrote:
 I press ! to execute a shell command, and if I press enter at the prompt
 instead of a command, it kicks me out of mutt without saving.
 
 If this is the desirable behavior, will someone explain why?
It is the logical behaviour!
 
 -- 
 Drew
xi
It has just started a shell for you..
Type exit and you will be back in mutt.

-- 
Regards
Cliff





Re: New mail 'N' flag not showing up

2001-09-14 Thread Denis Perelyubskiy

dont really like replying to my own posts, but just more
info, in case someone cares.

it looks like the problem is still there in 1.3.22i

also, it looks like it works fine, until i quit mutt. if i
quit mutt, and then come back, i dont get the 'new mail'
indicator. this could, i suppose, be expected behavior ...

denis

 * Denis Perelyubskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-Thu-01 21:24 -0700]:
 
 hello,
 
 i dont think i have any biff-like programs running.
 i have mutt 1.2.5i
 
 when i am in the folder view, i see 'N' message indicator,
 but it seems as if after a while those disappear. i am not
 sure if i can tie that to something i do
 
 does this problem ring a bell for anyone? is it something i
 am doing/not setting?
 
 thank you,
 
 denis
 
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Re: Mutt and GnuPG

2001-09-14 Thread Federico Grau

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 12:33:51AM +0200, Björn Lindström wrote:
 I am using Mutt 1.3.20i and GnuPG 1.0.6. 
 
 My problem is that when i view a message, like this;
 
 ---
 
 [-- PGP output follows (current time: Wed Sep 12 00:26:53 2001) --]
 gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit ELG-E key, ID 6CAD430E, created 2001-09-11
   Björn Lindström [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   gpg: Signature made Wed Sep 12 00:26:40 2001 CEST using DSA
   key ID EF778F9A
   gpg: Good signature from Björn Lindström [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [-- End of PGP output --]
 
 [-- The following data is PGP/MIME encrypted --]
 
 test
 
 [-- End of PGP/MIME encrypted data --]
 
 ---
 
 I still get an error message saying 'PGP signature could NOT be
 verified.'
 
 I use the settings in the file gpg.rc file that came with the
 Mutt Debian package. I guess this should be the interesting line:
 
 set pgp_verify_command=gpg --no-verbose --batch --output - --verify %s %f
 
 Any ideas?
 

sounds like basig gpg key signing stuff... 

you have gotten the key from a key server, website, or email but have not told
gpg that you want to sign it as being authentic.  

you would want to sign the key if you got it from a _TRUSTED_ source such as a
cdrom or ssl website, OR if you confirmed they fingerprint of the key (say in
person or over the phone) with the key's owner.

to list keys:
[donfede@ywing donfede]$ gpg --list-keys
/home/donfede/.gnupg/pubring.gpg

pub  1024D/DB42A60E 1999-09-23 Red Hat, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sub  2048g/961630A2 1999-09-23


to identify a key, use the email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or even better
the hex unique key identifier (DB42A60E).

once you have identified the key you can chekc its finger print with:
[donfede@ywing donfede]$ gpg --fingerprint DB42A60E
pub  1024D/DB42A60E 1999-09-23 Red Hat, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Key fingerprint = CA20 8686 2BD6 9DFC 65F6  ECC4 2191 80CD DB42 A60E
sub  2048g/961630A2 1999-09-23

once you trust the key you can sign it with, as you exchange your key with
people, you will build a web of trust such that if your trusted friend has
signed someone else's key then you can assume that it is good:
gpg --sign-key DB42A60E

if you sort of kind of trust the key, you can sign it such that it will not
leave your keyring signed with:
gpg --lsign-key DB42A60E


good luck,
donfede



Re: inline GnuPG signature

2001-09-14 Thread Federico Grau

On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 05:24:51AM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote:
 hi.  i noticed that on going out my gpg signed emails are sent as
 another mime attachments which could be annoying to users who have
 gui mua's.  how can i setup mutt so that gpg signs all appear together
 with the body of the message?
 
 thanks.
 
 -- 
 In is out and out is in.  But out is out and in is in.
   -- Pumbaa

hi Pumbaa,

set pgp_create_traditional=yes

from the man page:
   pgp_create_traditional
  Type: quadoption
  Default: no

  This  option  controls  whether Mutt generates old-
  style PGP encrypted or signed messages  under  cer­
  tain circumstances.

  Note  that  PGP/MIME will be used automatically for
  messages which have a character set different  from
  us-ascii,  or  which  consist of more than a single
  MIME part.

  Also note that using the old-style PGP message for­
  mat is strongly deprecated.

some other pgp questions,
mutt (1.2.5i) does a wonderful job of automatically verifying MIME/pgp signed
messages.  However it does not automatically verify inline pgp messages,
unless i pipe them to gpg --verify.  is there a better way (i checked my
docs but have not yet searched the list archives)?

donfede



Re: inline GnuPG signature

2001-09-14 Thread Jean-Sebastien Morisset

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:46:49PM -0400, Federico Grau wrote:
 
 some other pgp questions,
 mutt (1.2.5i) does a wonderful job of automatically verifying MIME/pgp signed
 messages.  However it does not automatically verify inline pgp messages,
 unless i pipe them to gpg --verify.  is there a better way (i checked my
 docs but have not yet searched the list archives)?

If you use procmail, add this to the top of your procmailrc:

---BEGIN---
:0
* !^Content-Type: message/
* !^Content-Type: application/pgp
{
:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
* ^-END PGP MESSAGE-
| formail -i Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=encrypt

:0 fBw
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
* ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
* ^-END PGP SIGNATURE-
| formail -i Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign
}
---END---

LateR!
js.
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Re: New mail 'N' flag not showing up

2001-09-14 Thread Rino Mardo

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:45:37PM -0700 or thereabouts, Denis Perelyubskiy wrote:
 dont really like replying to my own posts, but just more
 info, in case someone cares.
 
 it looks like the problem is still there in 1.3.22i
 
 also, it looks like it works fine, until i quit mutt. if i
 quit mutt, and then come back, i dont get the 'new mail'
 indicator. this could, i suppose, be expected behavior ...
 
have you checked the set mark_old in your ~/.muttrc ?

i have 1.3.22i and don't experience the problem you're having.

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Re: inline GnuPG signature

2001-09-14 Thread Rino Mardo

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:46:49PM -0400 or thereabouts, Federico Grau wrote:
 
 hi Pumbaa,
 
 set pgp_create_traditional=yes
 
 from the man page:
pgp_create_traditional
   Type: quadoption
   Default: no
 
   This  option  controls  whether Mutt generates old-
   style PGP encrypted or signed messages  under  cer?
   tain circumstances.
 
   Note  that  PGP/MIME will be used automatically for
   messages which have a character set different  from
   us-ascii,  or  which  consist of more than a single
   MIME part.
 
   Also note that using the old-style PGP message for?
   mat is strongly deprecated.
 
 some other pgp questions,
 mutt (1.2.5i) does a wonderful job of automatically verifying MIME/pgp signed
 messages.  However it does not automatically verify inline pgp messages,
 unless i pipe them to gpg --verify.  is there a better way (i checked my
 docs but have not yet searched the list archives)?
 
hehe. if it's strongly deprecated i'd rather stay with what the
default settings of mutt.

-- 
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-- Pumbaa

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Re: New mail 'N' flag not showing up

2001-09-14 Thread Denis Perelyubskiy

 * Rino Mardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-Fri-01 19:56 -0700]:
 
 On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 04:45:37PM -0700 or thereabouts, Denis Perelyubskiy wrote:
   [ ..snip.. ]
 have you checked the set mark_old in your ~/.muttrc ?
 
 i have 1.3.22i and don't experience the problem you're having.

yeah, i have the following line in my file:
unset mark_old

further, i think it said in teh docs that it does not matter
for 'mbox' mailboxes

do you also use 'mbox', or mh/maildir stuff?

thanks,

denis

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Re: inline GnuPG signature

2001-09-14 Thread Federico Grau

On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:20:30AM +0800, Rino Mardo wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:46:49PM -0400 or thereabouts, Federico Grau wrote:
  
  hi Pumbaa,
  
  set pgp_create_traditional=yes
  
  from the man page:
 pgp_create_traditional
Type: quadoption
Default: no
  
This  option  controls  whether Mutt generates old-
style PGP encrypted or signed messages  under  cer?
tain circumstances.
  
Note  that  PGP/MIME will be used automatically for
messages which have a character set different  from
us-ascii,  or  which  consist of more than a single
MIME part.
  
Also note that using the old-style PGP message for?
mat is strongly deprecated.
  
  some other pgp questions,
  mutt (1.2.5i) does a wonderful job of automatically verifying MIME/pgp signed
  messages.  However it does not automatically verify inline pgp messages,
  unless i pipe them to gpg --verify.  is there a better way (i checked my
  docs but have not yet searched the list archives)?
  
 hehe. if it's strongly deprecated i'd rather stay with what the
 default settings of mutt.
 

yeah, unfortunately the mountains of ms outlook lemmings at my job bitch about
MIMI/PGP because they have to double click on the email to read it... 

so I am leaning towards using the option myself, or I believe there is is a
way to configure mutt to only use this option for X users (I have yet to dig
through the archives).

donfede