Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:13:34PM +0100, Henrik Enberg wrote: The main drawback, and the mainreason I don't use it directly is that unless you run a local server with the low latency that gives you, it's just too slow. 1 second to display an email is more noticeable than you'd think before

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Another meta-question, where can I find a straight-forward description of imap, without the enthusiastic pushing? What is it? it's just a protocol to access email on a remote server. that description would apply to pop3 as well. the

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Ed Blackman
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:06:12AM +0100, Joost Kremers wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Not in some narrow sense, but what is involved in 'being an imap user'? first, your mail server has to support it. then you simply set up your mail client to use imap.

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 02:18:01AM -0400, Ed Blackman wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:06:12AM +0100, Joost Kremers wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Not in some narrow sense, but what is involved in 'being an imap user'? first, your mail server has to

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Chris G
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:06:12AM +0100, Joost Kremers wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 11:51:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Another meta-question, where can I find a straight-forward description of imap, without the enthusiastic pushing? What is it? it's just a protocol to access email

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Chris G
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:01:14AM +0100, Joost Kremers wrote: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:13:34PM +0100, Henrik Enberg wrote: The main drawback, and the mainreason I don't use it directly is that unless you run a local server with the low latency that gives you, it's just too slow. 1

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:14AM +, Chris G wrote: Are they on your LAN? Using IMAP across the internet (even with a good ADSL connection) can never really be as quick as a local mbox spool, especially if you're dealing with attachments and such. Think about it - a 1Mbyte attachment is

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:14AM +, Chris G wrote: Are they on your LAN? Using IMAP across the internet (even with a good ADSL connection) can never really be as quick as a local mbox spool, especially if you're dealing with attachments and such. Think about it - a 1Mbyte attachment is

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Chris G wrote: On the other hand if you *don't* need to access mail from anywhere then IMAP is slower than other ways of doing it and doesn't add any other particular advantages. Depends. Most people using IMAP use it through IMAP providers which guarantee you 24/7 availability. You

questions regarding mutt as newsreader

2009-03-19 Thread JP Bruns
Hello, I am using mutt v1.5.16 with nntp patch (as supplied by gentoo-linux) and have some questions regarding the setup or muttrc-file. First of all, I am not able to post to any newsgroup when the following folder-hook is in effect: folder-hook . 'set record=^' I only get this

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * Joost Kremers wrote: so the leave mail on server option that most pop-clients have is certainly not a convenient way to access your mail remotely from different locations. Plus: POP needs locking, i.e. only one client at a time can access the mailbox which implies that tools should not

Re: questions regarding mutt as newsreader

2009-03-19 Thread Rocco Rutte
Hi, * JP Bruns wrote: I am using mutt v1.5.16 with nntp patch (as supplied by gentoo-linux) and have some questions regarding the setup or muttrc-file. First of all, I am not able to post to any newsgroup when the following folder-hook is in effect: folder-hook . 'set record=^' I

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Chris G
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:32:23AM +0100, Joost Kremers wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:14AM +, Chris G wrote: Are they on your LAN? Using IMAP across the internet (even with a good ADSL connection) can never really be as quick as a local mbox spool, especially if you're dealing

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Chris G
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:23:30AM +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:14AM +, Chris G wrote: Are they on your LAN? Using IMAP across the internet (even with a good ADSL connection) can never really be as quick as a local mbox spool, especially if you're dealing with

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:02:12AM +, Chris G wrote: *By default* in both cases. There's nothing that actually forces you to leave mail on an IMAP server, neither is there anything that forces you to remove mail when you download it from a POP3 server. However most POP3 services expect

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Nick Anderson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:34:18PM +0100, Rocco Rutte wrote: Depends. Most people using IMAP use it through IMAP providers which guarantee you 24/7 availability. You mostly have professional admins who do the work for you and ensure you have access to mail. With local management, that would be

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Marc Vaillant
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:23:30AM +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:14AM +, Chris G wrote: Are they on your LAN? Using IMAP across the internet (even with a good ADSL connection) can never really be as quick as a local mbox spool, especially if you're dealing with

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, March 18 at 09:14 PM, quoth John J. Foster: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:13:19PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: and IMAP makes it possible for me to sue my own client when I can. I'm so glad you're not my lawyer. HA! Whoops, typo. :D ~Kyle

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, March 19 at 09:21 AM, quoth Marc Vaillant: Sorry, but I think, here you are wrong. Good IMAP-Clients don’t download the attachments without your interaction (at least you can configure them in such a way). So the reading of the mails

Re: what is the benefit of imap?

2009-03-19 Thread Marc Vaillant
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:06:16AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Thursday, March 19 at 09:21 AM, quoth Marc Vaillant: Sorry, but I think, here you are wrong. Good IMAP-Clients don’t download the attachments without your interaction (at least you can configure them in such a way). So the

Re: Mutt crashing on exit or replying (sometimes)

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, March 19 at 09:19 AM, quoth Joshua Tinnin: Any ideas? Unfortunately, no... I think you need to take that to the mutt-...@mutt.org list. ~Kyle - -- I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread David Champion
I think the best summary is that IMAP is a remote mailbox access protocol, supporting all common mailbox operations at the protocol level. POP is not: it supports full message retrieval, new-message scan (kind of, via UIDL), and deletion. This makes it, at best, a queued message pull protocol.

Re: what is the benefit of imap? Another meta-question.

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, March 19 at 10:42 AM, quoth David Champion: I think the best summary is that IMAP is a remote mailbox access protocol, supporting all common mailbox operations at the protocol level. POP is not: it supports full message retrieval,

Re: questions regarding mutt as newsreader

2009-03-19 Thread JP Bruns
Okay, I still don't understand why my folder-hook did not work. Just like setting the hostname has to be done very early. If someone is interested in my muttrc as to why that is, I will post it here. On the other hand, working with folder-hooks in conjunction with my newsserver works perfectly

Re: Mutt crashing on exit or replying (sometimes)

2009-03-19 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:42:13AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote: On Thursday, March 19 at 09:19 AM, quoth Joshua Tinnin: Any ideas? Unfortunately, no... I think you need to take that to the mutt-...@mutt.org list. OK, well I appreciate the effort. I'll also try the freebsd lists. - jt

How to restore my mail?

2009-03-19 Thread W. Martin Borgert
Hi, today I started to write a mail, stopped (= postponed), resumed writing and - experienced a short power outage. No problem so far, but after booting my machine again, I can't find the mail. It's not in the postponed file anymore. So my question is: Where can I find my mail resp. how can I

Re: How to restore my mail?

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Wheeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You *might* be able to restore it, *if* you use an alternate temp directory (i.e. if you set the $TMP environment variable, or the $tmpdir muttrc configuration setting, or maybe if your editor keeps draft files in a nonstandard place). Here, I'll