Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:58:46 +1000 From: Erik Christiansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt users ml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets OK, it seems then that the xterm and vim are more tolerant than mutt, when it comes to ISO8859-1 characters. They work fine with $LANG=C and LC_CTYPE=. Trying Roman Neuhauser's most helpful response on another thread: export LANG=en_AU.ISO8859-1 was enough for mutt, despite previous failures when setting LC_CTYPE to ISO8859-1. Grateful thanks Roman! Given that mutt is suffiently popular to be the one that we trip over, an FAQ entry might save some mailing list bandwidth. :-) I had just as hard time setting this stuff up when I started using mutt (I was almost completely green wrt unix as well), so you're most welcome. :) -- FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE 5:03PM up 2 days, 39 mins, 14 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 04:54:18PM +0800, Isaac Claymore wrote: However, whenever I send emails with a subject in Chinese, the receiver gets something like this :Subject: =?zh_cn.gb2312?B?uf65/g==?=, although all other parts of the mail are fine. Thanks for hints and suggestions.(please CC to me, i'm not on this list) Having not seen any of the replies (yet?), may I add here my apparently similar problem? (No mention of an archive at mutt.org, or in the FAQ) Despite the following in ~/.muttrc : set charset=iso-8859-1 set use_8bitmime set allow_8bit charset-hook US-ASCII ISO-8859-1 # Above didn't fix it, so charset-hook x-unknownISO-8859-1 # try these as well. my otherwise friendly mutt lists a received iso-8859-1 test email as: 100 N + Jul 19 Erik Christians ( 4) Forbl?ffende Ul?selig V?s Subsequent display of the email contents by mutt shows: Subject: Forbl\370ffende Ul\346selig V\345s But hitting e , to examine the mail in vim, shows the correct text: Subject: Forbløffende Ulæselig Vås A couple of hour's snuffling about the web revealed Sven's .muttrc, and a few others, but neither those hints nor the manpage cast enough light for me to see the solution, so far. Would whatever helped Isaac also fix this one? Regards, Erik
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:38:55PM +0200, Alain Bench wrote: Hello Isaac, On Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 4:54:18 PM +0800, Isaac Claymore wrote: whenever I send emails with a subject in Chinese, the receiver gets something like this :Subject: =?zh_cn.gb2312?B?uf65/g==?= This gets decodable (everywhere?) once the zh_cn. removed. So if your iconv knows it, try to set gb2312 only: set charset=gb2312 set send_charset=us-ascii:iso-8859-1:gb2312 It works ;) BTW here with libiconv 1.8: $ iconv -l | grep 2312 CHINESE GB_2312-80 ISO-IR-58 CSISO58GB231280 CN-GB EUC-CN EUCCN GB2312 CSGB2312 HZ HZ-GB-2312 please CC to me, i'm not on this list Inform Mutt about this, using lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set followup_to directives. I've read 'man muttrc' about 'lists' 'followup_to', and your instruction is pretty helpful, thanks man. HTH, and bye! Alain.
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
Hi Erik, On Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 7:26:25 PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: 100 N + Jul 19 Erik Christians ( 4) Forbl?ffende Ul?selig V?s Subject: Forbl\370ffende Ul\346selig V\345s Would whatever helped Isaac also fix this one? No: completely different problem. Your's is even not a Mutt problem, just bad system's locale configuration. Try to set LC_CTYPE to a suitable locale for your language, country and character set. Bye!Alain.
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 01:12:56PM +0200, Alain Bench wrote: No: completely different problem. Your's is even not a Mutt problem, just bad system's locale configuration. Try to set LC_CTYPE to a suitable locale for your language, country and character set. Thanks Alain, for the hint that moved this one forward a bit. It still has the distinct appearance of a mutt problem, though, since: o vim effortlessly displays the iso-8859-1 characters, when invoked from within mutt, to edit the received email. i.e. it does what mutt fails to do. (Even with the current value of for LC_CTYPE.) o Also, when I vim a single line file, and then cat it in an xterm or Eterm: cat /tmp/fred To små børn - If you use mutt, this may not display properly. the iso-8859-1 characters display faultlessly. (So locale hardly seems to be the limitation.) It appears then, to this observer at least, that mutt is demonstrably the source of the doggy-do. (Hopefully this analysis is right, 'cos grubbing around the net for methods to massage LC_CTYPE has so far only revealed stuff that doesn't work for me. :-) Regards, Erik -- _,-_|\Erik Christiansen / \ Research Development Division \_,-.__/ Voice Products Department vNEC Business Solutions Pty. Ltd.
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 01:12:56PM +0200, Alain Bench wrote: No: completely different problem. Your's is even not a Mutt problem, just bad system's locale configuration. Try to set LC_CTYPE to a suitable locale for your language, country and character set. OK, it seems then that the xterm and vim are more tolerant than mutt, when it comes to ISO8859-1 characters. They work fine with $LANG=C and LC_CTYPE=. Trying Roman Neuhauser's most helpful response on another thread: export LANG=en_AU.ISO8859-1 was enough for mutt, despite previous failures when setting LC_CTYPE to ISO8859-1. Grateful thanks Roman! Given that mutt is suffiently popular to be the one that we trip over, an FAQ entry might save some mailing list bandwidth. :-) Regards, Erik
problem about subjects in asian charsets
Hi folks, I set up .muttrc as: set charset=zh_cn.gb2312 set send_charset=us-ascii:iso-8859-1:zh_cn.gb2312 And everything is OK, I can read and write mails in Chinese(in gb2312). However, whenever I send emails with a subject in Chinese, the receiver gets something like this :Subject: =?zh_cn.gb2312?B?uf65/g==?=, although all other parts of the mail are fine. Thanks for hints and suggestions.(please CC to me, i'm not on this list) -Clay
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
Hi, * Isaac Claymore [02-07-30 15:03:51 +0200] wrote: set charset=zh_cn.gb2312 set send_charset=us-ascii:iso-8859-1:zh_cn.gb2312 And everything is OK, I can read and write mails in Chinese(in gb2312). However, whenever I send emails with a subject in Chinese, the receiver gets something like this :Subject: =?zh_cn.gb2312?B?uf65/g==?=, although all other parts of the mail are fine. Thanks for hints and suggestions.(please CC to me, i'm not on this list) Tell the recipient his or her mail client is broken. I don't have a table for the character set ``zh_cn.gb2312'', but it seems correct. For a full explanation of the short form below pleace look at RfC 2047 (and read it, of course). Any 8bit character within any header field has to be encoded down to 7bit. To correctly decode it the character set is required, too (since ascii is the default for headers). The correct form is: =?C?E?T?= =? ... beginning of encoded word C ... character set ? ... delimiter E ... encoding (B for Base64, Q for quoted-printable) ? ... delimiter T ... Text encoded with E ?= ... the end bye, Rocco
Re: problem about subjects in asian charsets
Hello Isaac, On Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 4:54:18 PM +0800, Isaac Claymore wrote: whenever I send emails with a subject in Chinese, the receiver gets something like this :Subject: =?zh_cn.gb2312?B?uf65/g==?= This gets decodable (everywhere?) once the zh_cn. removed. So if your iconv knows it, try to set gb2312 only: set charset=gb2312 set send_charset=us-ascii:iso-8859-1:gb2312 BTW here with libiconv 1.8: $ iconv -l | grep 2312 CHINESE GB_2312-80 ISO-IR-58 CSISO58GB231280 CN-GB EUC-CN EUCCN GB2312 CSGB2312 HZ HZ-GB-2312 please CC to me, i'm not on this list Inform Mutt about this, using lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] and set followup_to directives. HTH, and bye! Alain.
