Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:36:25AM -0600, David Champion wrote: * On 25 Jan 2013, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from horseriver: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-25-13 13:24]: Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup? mutt reads mail mda delivers mail mta transfers mail fetchmail gets mail, is a mda Why are you not reading the suggested documentation? Patrick's advice is spot on. All of your questions so far are easily answered by the suggested docs. I hope this will be my only meta-post on this thread, but I think there are two critical flaws with the hard-nosed RTFM response: Boy, do I agree! Some of the responses here are over the top. 1. synthesizing the information among multiple sources of documentation can be difficult. I have no reason to think that horseriver hasn't read the docs; only that he doesn't possess the big picture (yet). I conjecture also that English is not the Sieur de Horseriver's mother tongue. Another reason for patience and kindness; as if these qualities ever needed justification. Oftentimes this integration of facts into understanding is best provided by other people, and a support mailing list is a good place to ask for that. And is often found. This E-list is, in my experience an exception. Pointy-clicky, really? People may become annoying, but one can remain polite instead of imputing attributes which you find mockable. Again, Mr Champion is spot-on. Best wishes, especially to the very patient horseriver, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance.
Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
Here's the typical pattern: MUA - [MSA] - MTA - [.. more MTAs] - LDA - [Mailbox Store] - MUA Things in [brackets] may not be used, or may take altered forms in a specific configuration. Definitions: MUA - Mail User Agent. Examples: mutt, thunderbird, webmail MSA - Mail Submission Agent. This function could be built into the MUA, or built into an MTA, or it might be a separate queuing system. Most MTAs expose a submission interface that may or may not offer separate features from their MTA interface. Examples: SMTP service, pipe to /usr/lib/sendmail, pipe to msmtp, etc. MTA - Mail Transport Agent. The primary role of an MTA is to exchange mail around the internet. An MTA may be colocated with a user agent or a delivery facility such as IMAP, but it might not. Sometimes mail moves through many MTAs on its way to a destination, but this is less common than it used to me. Most mail today encounters two MTAs: one that is colocated with the sender's submission agent, and one that triggers local delivery for the recipient. LDA - Local Delivery Agent. An LDA is responsible for handling the disposition of the mail at a destination. An MTA determines that it is a final destination (based on arbitrarily complex rules, but often just a hostname list for which it's responsible). Then it hands the mail to an LDA and awaits the LDA's assertion that delivery was performed. Procmail can be used as an LDA, but there are others. An LDA might delivery to a spool file where an MUA can retrieve it, or it might deposit the mail into a message store such as an IMAP server. Mailbox Store. Not all recipients use this, of course, but many do. To answer your question finally: An MUA (such as mutt) never interacts directly with an LDA. It either retrieves messages from a mutually-agreed location (e.g. /var/mail/username) or it contacts a message store (e.g. an IMAP server). * On 25 Jan 2013, horseriver wrote: hi: Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup? thanks! -- David Champion • d...@bikeshed.us
Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
* horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-25-13 13:24]: Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup? 1st, please start new threads when you change subject/topic. mutt reads mail mda delivers mail mta transfers mail fetchmail gets mail, is a mda -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-25-13 13:24]: Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup? mutt reads mail mda delivers mail mta transfers mail fetchmail gets mail, is a mda Thanks! 1. Is fetchmail alwayes running at deamon mode ,fectching mail by timer ? or it is called by mutt when mutt startup? 2. What is the use of mail command ? It seems to be a mda too.So I do not how to distinguish between mail and fetchmail. If I want to use fetchmail ,need I remove the mail mda? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
* horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-26-13 00:09]: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-25-13 13:24]: Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup? mutt reads mail mda delivers mail mta transfers mail fetchmail gets mail, is a mda Thanks! 1. Is fetchmail alwayes running at deamon mode ,fectching mail by timer ? or it is called by mutt when mutt startup? it is as *you* configure it, man fetchmail 2. What is the use of mail command ? It seems to be a mda too.So I do not how to distinguish between mail and fetchmail. If I want to use fetchmail ,need I remove the mail mda? /usr/bin/mail, is *not* an mda. man mail You *really* need to look at the applications' documentation. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: who puts mails into mutt's mail folder?
Incoming from horseriver:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 02:17:27PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* horseriver horseriv...@gmail.com [01-25-13 13:24]:
Would mutt call default mail delivery agent when startup?
mutt reads mail
mda delivers mail
mta transfers mail
fetchmail gets mail, is a mda
Why are you not reading the suggested documentation? Patrick's advice
is spot on. All of your questions so far are easily answered by the
suggested docs.
1. Is fetchmail alwayes running at deamon mode ,fectching mail by
timer ? or it is called by mutt when mutt startup?
fetchmail can be run as a daemon or can be invoked by users. Which is
best for you? Read the docs!
2. What is the use of mail command ? It seems to be a mda too.So I
No, mail is an MUA just like mutt. Now, you're becoming annoying. At
a terminal, do this:
xman -notopbox -bothshown
That's a pointy-clicky interface to the manpages. Now PLEASE read
some documentation!
Grr. Thank you.
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