Re: progrma topics for the future.

2007-03-14 Thread Curtis Villamizar
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joel Jaeggli writes: [snip] Are things like this useful? Is audience too macho to be seen with their peers discussing rfc 2317 reverse dns delegation? joelja \begin{rant} If reverse dns delegation is covered I sure hope Comcast is invited (they don't do it

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Joel Jaeggli wrote: sell you 100/24 vdsl2 for around 80euro a month. 100/10 over CAT5 ethernet (and also 100/100) is available here in Sweden for around $35+tax in quite a lot of places. Weirdly enough it's more commonly available in places where the real estate owner

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On 3/13/07, Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do longer-range wireless technologies like WiMAX potentially impact the equation? If cell phone companies have not covered an area, what makes you think WiMAX is a magic solution? How well does WiMAX work to cover hilly, forested, rural

Re: Ethernet won (was: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband...)

2007-03-14 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 03:42:32AM +, Fergie wrote: Perhaps, depending on the last-mile and the consumer/business distinction, but up through the late 90's, all that was available to consumers (at best) was ISDN in Bell Atlantic territory -- at least in Northern Virginia. I left that

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On 3/14/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Current wireless technologies have no problem with the rural aspect, just the hills and foliage. Get on a tall enough tower in a remote enough area, you can have quite a range on your wireless coverage. I'm not sure of the cost of a cell

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread michael.dillon
I do admit that I haven't been keeping up on BPL technology lately, as I am not in [and know only one person living in] an area where power lines are the only cabled connection to the world. My point was more that there are areas where it's simply impractical to put out many of the

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Mar 14, 2007, at 3:02 AM, David Lesher wrote: {re: BPL will bring competition...} I am totally baffled by all the hype over BPL. What is true is the utilities would wet their pants over having same. Not for offering Internet access, but so they could read every electric meter in

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Alexander Harrowell
Broadband-over-powerlines, like its cousin ethernet-over-domestic wiring, is one of those things that gets discovered every three years, hyped, oohed and aahed over, then disappears. Reason: it's a solution looking for a problem, for the reasons given above. Why not, rather than try to kludge

RE: The Chicken or the Egg.

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222 4.2.2 is the allocation to ISPs section; therefore 4.2.2.2 would be a part of that. It states under that multihomed section that if you can demonstrate efficient usage of a /23, you can receive a /22 from ARIN. --Mike _ From:

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Free WIFI is just a joke anyway. Most of the time when someone is referring to wanting or providing free WIFI, they don't really know what they're talking about. People like free and people dislike being tethered, thus all of the buzz around free WIFI. --Mike -Original Message- From:

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say the reason cable is more popular is because most DSL is ran by the incumbent telcos and you can't get good anything from those guys. DSL is a better technology, but the companies doing it suck. --Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Hammett
WiMAX is minimally different than most current wireless broadband equipment. Its main selling point is higher scale, thus lower cost. Its improved RF capabilities result in maybe 10 db. --Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander

Arbinet

2007-03-14 Thread Nathan Allen Stratton
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RE: Can someone from aol.com postmaster support contact me offlist?

2007-03-14 Thread Stasiniewicz, Adam
Did you look at the info on http://postmaster.aol.com/ specifically the link Would you like to apply for the AOL whitelist? A company I am working for had some problems recently with mail to AOL being delayed and lost. We filled out the whitelist paperwork and have not had a problem since.

Re: Ethernet won (was: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband...)

2007-03-14 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] perhaps not. but there is a real issue w/ the number of businesses that operate from the home (according to some numbers this is as high as 65% of all US business) and the telcos still retain a mindset of business areas and residential areas. It is not possible to

Re: Ethernet won (was: RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband...)

2007-03-14 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:50:19AM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] perhaps not. but there is a real issue w/ the number of businesses that operate from the home (according to some numbers this is as high as 65% of all US business) and the telcos still retain a

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread John Levine
A universal service charge could be applied to all bills, with the funds going to subsidize rural areas. This is already done in the U.S., to no discernible effect. I dunno. My rural ILEC which is up to its armpits in USF money, sells me a T1 for $190/mo plus tax. (Plus what their captive

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread John Levine
The system I looked at had fiber along the high voltage lines anyway, to get enough bandwidth to the neighborhood - i.e., fiber to the neighborhood, plus equipment there to put the data onto the copper. After that, each transformer requires a shunt. Therefore, each transformer requires a

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Bora Akyol
You are right. Video content tailored to every user is going to be the next killer app. Unfortunately, neither the telcos nor the cable companies quite get this. They are stuck to their channels and everything is priced in terms of channels. As far as Bittorrent goes, if you ever wanted to get

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 14, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Bora Akyol wrote: Unfortunately, neither the telcos nor the cable companies quite get this. They are stuck to their channels and everything is priced in terms of channels. To be fair, part of this onus is on the content developers themselves - after all, it's

Re: A nice description of why the Internet is slow

2007-03-14 Thread Jim Mercer
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 07:23:37AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ccs.uottawa.ca/connect/why-internet-slow.html ironically, it took more than 2 minutes for this URL to fully render for me. while waiting for it to pull in icons(?) or other stuff to decorate the page, i was able to

Call for Presentations: NANOG 40 - June 3-6 - Bellevue, WA

2007-03-14 Thread Steve Feldman
The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) will hold its 40th meeting June 3-6, 2007, in Bellevue, Washington. The meeting will be hosted by XKL. NANOG conferences provide a forum for information exchange among network operators, engineers, and researchers. Meetings are held three

NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Todd Christell
Greetings, Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the generally accepted title? Thanks in advance, Todd Christell SpringNet Network

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd Christell wrote: Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the generally accepted title? Not sure why your HR

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Lyon
NOC Technician? Support Technician? I have others that I was called when I worked in a NOC but it probably wouldn't be proper for here... -Mike On 3/14/07, Todd Christell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Simon Lyall
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Justin M. Streiner wrote: Not sure why your HR dept would even care :) So they can look them up on a pay scale list and decide what they should be paid. Had this problem at one place I was at where the pay scale list thought a System Administrator or Network Administrator

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread K. Graham
I was called a nocling but I doubt that would pass the HR test. Kim - Original Message From: Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NANOG nanog@merit.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:07:52 PM Subject: Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 22:07 -0400, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Todd Christell wrote: Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Gadi Evron
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, K. Graham wrote: I was called a nocling but I doubt that would pass the HR test. There's also reboot monkey. :) How about Network Support something ? Gadi. -- beepbeep it, i leave work, stop reading sec lists and im still hearing gadi - HD Moore to Gadi Evron

SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property)

2007-03-14 Thread Frank Bulk
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/articlePrint.cfm?id=1310151 Is this a normal thing for Level 3 to do, cut off small, responsive providers? Frank

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Payam
Todd, Maybe Im missing something here but I am not a believe in new positions/salary just because you are going from a noc to a 24x7 noc. Now, if you dont already have a noc and want to create the department and also have it 24/7, I would simply leave have them as Network Analyst. This would

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Simon Lyall wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Justin M. Streiner wrote: Not sure why your HR dept would even care :) So they can look them up on a pay scale list and decide what they should be paid. In pretty much every place I've worked, the pay scale was set by the

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Brian
Todd Christell wrote: Greetings, Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the generally accepted title? Thanks in advance, Todd Christell

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 14, 2007, at 7:07 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: NOC (insert generic group name here)? NOC NOC? [Who's there?] ; --- Roland Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] // 408.527.6376 voice Words that come from a machine

Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property)

2007-03-14 Thread david raistrick
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Frank Bulk wrote: http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/articlePrint.cfm?id=1310151 Is this a normal thing for Level 3 to do, cut off small, responsive providers? I heard from a few folks working for TelCove that they were under order to do whatever it took to disconnect

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Mike Lyon
NOC monkey On 3/14/07, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, K. Graham wrote: I was called a nocling but I doubt that would pass the HR test. There's also reboot monkey. :) How about Network Support something ? Gadi. -- beepbeep it, i leave work, stop

RE: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Frank Bulk
Could you please clarify that comment? USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges. Frank -Original Message- From: Frank Bulk Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:50 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell

Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property)

2007-03-14 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On 3/14/07, david raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard from a few folks working for TelCove that they were under order to do whatever it took to disconnect customers under certian levels in my local area (not philly). Related? Dunno. Level3 recently stiffed us on a colo contract

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Jay Hennigan
Todd Christell wrote: Greetings, Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. What is the generally accepted title? This is as best I recall a direct

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread chuck goolsbee
Sorry if this is OT but we are having a discussion with our HR department. We are in the process of getting a 24 X 7 NOC in place and HR has a problem with calling them NOC Specialist. We're 24x7 and we get by just fine without an HR department. It has worked fine for 13 years, and will

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-14 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: USF has made it possible for us to serve DSL to almost every customer in our exchanges. I'm glad to hear it - the reports of how that fund is (un)used are almost overwhelmingly negative, I'm glad some folks, somewhere are benefiting from

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Jeff Kell
Jay Hennigan wrote: This is as best I recall a direct quote. We don't care. You can call yourself Supreme Imperial Grand Poo-Bah if you want as long as our network stays up. Nah, the proper term is Network Czar until you get into network security, then you become the Network Nazi or the

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 K. Graham wrote: I was called a nocling but I doubt that would pass the HR test. I'm kinda partial to NOC Knuklehead. - -- = bep -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla -

Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)

2007-03-14 Thread Robert Bonomi
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 15 00:52:53 2007 Subject: Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) K. Graham wrote: I was called a nocling but I doubt that would pass the HR test. I'm kinda partial to NOC Knuklehead. There's always Guru of Distributed Systems'. Reserved for the