Re: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the AS Number Registry

2006-11-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30-Nov-2006, at 12:59, John Payne wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:36 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Seems relevant. Any word from vendors on supporting images? I found some old presentations that said Juniper (ERX) and Redback had announced supporting images and Cisco had an

Increase in NANOG Meeting Attendance Fees

2006-11-29 Thread Joe Abley
. This will be implemented for NANOG 39 in Toronto. Further discussion of funding models and related topics is encouraged, and should take place on the nanog-futures mailing list. Please see http://www.nanog.org/email.html for subscription instructions. Joe Abley for the SC

Re: passports for NANOG-39, Toronto

2006-10-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Oct-2006, at 09:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could do the same fly-drive via Detroit but there is a lot more driving. Indeed. Rough estimates, excluding time taken to cross the border and assuming good weather: BUF to Toronto: 2 hours DTW to Toronto: 5 hours CLE to

Re: Collocation Access

2006-10-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Oct-2006, at 11:54, Craig Holland wrote: I just ran into something for the first time, and apparently it isn’t that uncommon. ATT was asked to install a circuit into a collocation facility where, like any I’ve been into, required them to show a government ID. In a similar vein,

New NANOG Programme Committee

2006-10-23 Thread Joe Abley
Snowhorn Pete Templin Todd Underwood Vish Yelsangikar New (or returning) members: Steve Feldman Igor Gashinsky Kobi Hsu Mike Hughes Keith Mitchell Ted Seely Richard Steenbergen Bill Woodcock Joe Abley (for the SC)

Re: Need help explaining in-addr.arpa to Limelight

2006-10-23 Thread Joe Abley
Tuc! On 23-Oct-2006, at 18:03, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: Is there someone out there that might be able to help me explain this to the techs there. That you can't subdomain an in-addr.arpa like you do a domain name? RFC 2317. A zone's a zone's a zone, and zones can contain CNAMEs.

Re: Need help explaining in-addr.arpa to Limelight

2006-10-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Oct-2006, at 21:13, Edward Lewis wrote: If an admin were granted the authority for a /25 worth of space, then you can't just delegate that part of the in-addr.arpa domain. That's the RFC Joe Abley cited. Ah, so you smell an apex CNAME. They might be using DNAME, though :-) Joe

New NANOG Mailing List Admin Team

2006-10-20 Thread Joe Abley
by SC, 2-year term) Joe Abley (for the SC)

selection of new NANOG programme committee

2006-10-15 Thread Joe Abley
The SC plans to select a new Programme Committee during their meeting on Thursday 19 October. The complete list of PC candidates is here: http://www.nanog.org/pccandidates06.html If you have any opinions or comments you would like to share with the SC about any of the PC candidates

The Postel Network Operator's Scholarship

2006-10-13 Thread Joe Abley
The Internet Society (ISOC) a 501c(3) corporation (http:// www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/incorp.shtml), has agreed to accept a restricted donation from an anonymous source to be known as the Postel Network Operator's Scholarship. The Scholarship will be awarded annually to a recipient

Call for Volunteers for Mailing List Administration Panel

2006-10-13 Thread Joe Abley
], or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, on behalf of the Mailing List Panel and the Steering Committee, we would like to thank everyone for their help in making NANOG a useful environment for operators. Joe Abley, SC chair Chris Malayter, MLC chair

Re: that 4byte ASN you were considering...

2006-10-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10-Oct-2006, at 12:01, David W. Hankins wrote: But it's just /weird/ to ask the IETF to have this kind of role...one it has never had to my memory, and seeks constantly not to fulfill. It's not so weird when you realise that the notation adopted has an impact on other IETF work (RPSL

Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]

2006-10-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Oct-2006, at 19:04, Steve Sobol wrote: ICANN *does* have a requirement for accurate information in WHOIS and while I don't know how strongly the requirement is enforced, they *can* pull your domain registration if you don't have accurate information. While I'm not familiar with the

Re: International phone numbers (was Re: AOL Non-Lameness)

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Oct-2006, at 00:37, Rick Kunkel wrote: Boy, this is certainly OT. Yeah. Apologies for contributing to the noise, but since someone mentioned it earlier... I had a suspicion it might be standard somewhere. The ITU recommendation is E.123 (02/01), ITU article number E20897 in

Re: International phone numbers (was Re: AOL Non-Lameness)

2006-10-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Oct-2006, at 08:53, Joe Abley wrote: E.123 also tells us how to write our e-mail addresses and URLs on business cards, except that it calls URLs web addresses. At least, this is what I can glean from the many E.123 summaries I could find, since the actual document isn't available

Re: Zimbabwe satellite service shutdown for non-payment

2006-09-19 Thread Joe Abley
On 2006-09-19, at 03:59, Brandon Galbraith wrote: Does any fiber run into Zimbabwe? Or is everything via satellite? Having fibre to your neighbiour is the exception in Africa, not the rule. There has to be a remaining uplink (albeit low-capacity) if nameservers within the country are

Re: [Fwd: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-13 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-13 à 11:43, D'Arcy J.M. Cain a écrit : Notice that no one is getting worked up about circuit number portability. I don't know about that. I have always harboured a desire to visit ZOWISAP0001 in person. I hear Zoowie Island is quite lovely at this time of year. This is not

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

2006-09-13 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-13 à 15:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : P.S. are the standards of this list so unclear that Darcy and I have to discuss this? Who is right? http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/Posting_Style_Conventions Joe

Re: Watch your replies (was Kremen....)

2006-09-13 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-13 à 15:59, Andrew Kirch a écrit : I might just to watch the hilarity. Is there any real interest in this? MediaWiki with restricted editing for people on the NANOG list. At the risk of repeating myself, http://nanog.cluepon.net/. This is a NANOG wiki with somewhat

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

2006-09-12 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-12 à 15:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : It makes me wonder just how much space like that there is out there artifically increasing IP scarcity. The fact that there is a lot of space assigned/allocated and not used in any easily observable way is well known to

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

2006-09-12 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-12 à 17:21, Daniel Golding a écrit : From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs could be replaced with From each according to the ARIN fee schedule, to each according to our impossible to decipher allocation templates. I find the references to

Re: Kremen's Buddy?

2006-09-12 Thread Joe Abley
Le 2006-09-12 à 19:52, Richard A Steenbergen a écrit : Ever notice the only folks happy with the status quo are the few who have already have an intimate knowledge of the ARIN allocation process, and/or have the right political connections to resolve the issues that come up when dealing

Re: [Fwd: RE: Kremen VS Arin Antitrust Lawsuit - Anyone have feedback?]

2006-09-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Sep-2006, at 13:44, Chris Jester wrote: Also, what about ARINS hardcore attitude making it near impossible to aquire ip space, even when you justify it's use? I have had nightmares myself as well as MANY of my collegues share similar experiences. I have talked to many people who

proposed NANOG charter amendments

2006-09-11 Thread Joe Abley
[this message has been cross-posted to nanog@ and nanog-futures@, with followups set accordingly, as we used to say back when Usenet was read by humans. If you're interested in discussing any of this, and you're not on nanog-futures@ already, see http://www.nanog.org/ email.html] ** If

Re: Verizon Looking Glass

2006-09-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Sep-2006, at 09:31, Tim Donahue wrote: Does anyone know if Verizon has a publicly accessable looking glass? There is not one listed on bgp4.net nor could I find one searching Google. It might pay to specify exactly which AS number you're particularly interested in peeking into.

Re: Spain was offline

2006-09-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Sep-2006, at 02:11, Martin Hannigan wrote: You seem to be suggesting that ISPs run stealth slaves for these kinds of zones. This may have been a useful pointer for ISPs in days gone by, but I think today it's impractical advice. How so? Anyone can get a zone and turn up [a-m] on-net and

Re: Spain was offline

2006-09-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Sep-2006, at 13:47, Martin Hannigan wrote: I can't get a TLD zone? *You* can do anything, Marty! You are the man! :-) But back to the root servers. Are you agreering with me that if I announce F and I root's netblocks inside of my own network that everyone would be ok with that?

Re: Spain was offline

2006-09-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Sep-2006, at 15:07, Martin Hannigan wrote: Well, let's rephrase that. Anyone can't get a TLD zone? While there are many smaller TLD zones that don't get updated very often and which have wide-open AXFR to all and sundry, I'm betting that the majority of zones that people on this

Re: BCP Question: Handling trouble reports from non-customers

2006-09-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Sep-2006, at 18:48, Steve Gibbard wrote: On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Owen DeLong wrote: I think my previous post may have touched on a more global issue. Given the number of such posts I have seen over time, and, my experiences trying to report problems to other ISPs in the past, it seems

Re: Spain was offline

2006-08-31 Thread Joe Abley
On 31-Aug-2006, at 05:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have your own mirrors of TLDs that are important to your users, i.e. .com, your .xx country domain, etc.? You seem to be suggesting that ISPs run stealth slaves for these kinds of zones. This may have been a useful pointer for ISPs

Re: Is it my imagination or are countless operations impacted today with mysql meltdowns

2006-08-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Aug-2006, at 14:00, Barry Shein wrote: Can I make a suggestion about inappropriate postings which I GUARANTEE would help a lot?! Can we have a DESIGNATED WHINER, or small list of whiners, who has a CANNED MESSAGE and the option to add some text specific to the message? And can take

Re: ISP wants to stop outgoing web based spam

2006-08-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Aug-2006, at 12:02, Ken Simpson wrote: Maybe I'm just an ignorant e-mail postmaster. I thought that nearly all e-mail was (E)SMTP-based (LMTP excepted). If it doesn't use the SMTP protocol, it's not reaching any mailbox. HTTP is a web browser protocol. WebMail gets converted by the

Re: Detecting parked domains

2006-08-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Aug-2006, at 04:05, Duane Wessels wrote: I am looking for a way that you, or anyone else, could indicate a domain should not be considered in service although the name is registered and has an A record pointing to an active server so when I check that name it doesn't require a

Re: Ultradns using anycast?

2006-07-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Jul-2006, at 13:11, Jeroen Massar wrote: Or how to get someone at UltraDNS or PIR to take ownership of a issue and resolve it? What about google(ultradns noc) and feeling lucky. Not forgetting puck.nether.net/netops/nocs.cgi and various other resources mentioned in the FAQ and in a

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 09:17, Rob Evans wrote: There seem to be a whole load of ASNs that have deaggregated. AS5416, AS5639, AS6140, AS9121, AS13049, AS16130, AS17849, AS18049 (that's as far as I got before getting bored). Some of these are advertising the covering prefix too, so they're

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 10:48, Joe Abley wrote: It would help immensely with getting that document published if people could read that draft, and let me know if it looks like something they would implement if it was implemented. Private mail would be great. Uh, something they would deploy

Re: Deaggregation Disease

2006-07-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jul-2006, at 11:20, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2006-07-21 10:48 -0400), Joe Abley wrote: As it happens, Tony Li, Rex Fernando and I wrote up a proposal for a new attribute which might help in some of these situations. (It's a crude mechanism, but not as crude as NO_EXPORT). http

Re: Best practices inquiry: filtering 128/1

2006-07-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Jul-2006, at 02:06, Florian Weimer wrote: * Patrick W. Gilmore: Actually, I take that back. Why wouldn't you just get a feed from Cymru http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/index.html ?? I don't think Team Cymru offers a feed of what is supposed to be in the routing table. No, but they

Re: Copper thefts in california

2006-07-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jul-2006, at 16:41, Sean Donelan wrote: In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire. At least when this happens in other places there's the prospect of attractive

Re: Fanless x86 Server Recommendations

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Jun-2006, at 14:25, Ray Van Dolson wrote: We're looking to acquire a couple small servers that can act as routers for us at remote locations. How small? :-) http://www.compulab.co.il/x270/html/x270-cm-datasheet.htm Joe

Re: h.gtld-servers.net offline...

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jun-2006, at 09:41, Will Hargrave wrote: Unless I am mistaken, h.gtld-servers.net is offline and has been for an hour or two. I can't see the containing prefix, 192.54.112.0/24. I think you're mistaken about the server being off-line, since I can see it just fine from many

Re: wrt joao damas' DLV talk on wednesday

2006-06-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jun-2006, at 13:27, Randy Bush wrote: the isc web page now says Before it is accepted into the dlv.isc.org zone, ISC will perform checks to ensure the keys are being used in the requested zone, that the persons making the request are who they claim to be and that they

Re: wrt joao damas' DLV talk on wednesday

2006-06-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jun-2006, at 14:37, Randy Bush wrote: I don't profess to speak for ISC here, but it may be worth noting that ISC staff continue to spend a lot of time travelling to operator meetings, workshops, root server installations and RIR and ICANN meetings. Outreach and community participation

Re: Extreme Networks BD 6808 errors -- help to interpret.

2006-06-10 Thread Joe Abley
(followups set) On 10-Jun-2006, at 06:09, Mattias Ahnberg wrote: Mattias Ahnberg wrote: I've recently stumbled over an error in the logs of one of my Black Diamond 6808's. Due to redundant MSMs this hasn't had any practical effect yet, but I have just initiated a ticket on the matter.

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jun-2006, at 12:35, Joseph S D Yao wrote: I can't tell you what is going on. But I can ask, (a) why are you doing asymmetrical routing in the first place? For any non-trivial path, it seems to me that asymmetry in forward and return paths is normal. Symmetrical paths are the

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Jun-2006, at 08:19, Gunther Stammwitz wrote: I have customers who are complaining about packet loss and they are providing me with MTRs and pathpings (that's some sort of traceroute that pings every hop it sees several times - comes with windows xp) (if it comes with win xp, then

Second PGP key signing party on Tuesday morning

2006-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Jun-2006, at 10:49, Joe Abley wrote: On 2-Jun-2006, at 15:44, Joe Abley wrote: NANOG attendees who use PGP are encouraged to meet up and sign keys at the meeting next week. The time and precise location are still being confirmed with Merit and the PC, but in the mean time here's

Re: PGP key signing at NANOG 37 meeting in San Jose

2006-06-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 2-Jun-2006, at 15:44, Joe Abley wrote: NANOG attendees who use PGP are encouraged to meet up and sign keys at the meeting next week. The time and precise location are still being confirmed with Merit and the PC, but in the mean time here's the place to paste your public keys: http

PGP key signing at NANOG 37 meeting in San Jose

2006-06-02 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, NANOG attendees who use PGP are encouraged to meet up and sign keys at the meeting next week. The time and precise location are still being confirmed with Merit and the PC, but in the mean time here's the place to paste your public keys: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?keyring=9214

Re: How to tell if something is anycasted?

2006-05-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-May-2006, at 14:11, Steve Gibbard wrote: Of Marty's list above, only UltraDNS and PCH are anycast (there are several other anycast networks hosting TLDs that aren't on Marty's list). NS-EXT.ISC.ORG is anycast within AS 3557 as described in ISC- TN-2004-1 (and

Re: How to tell if something is anycasted?

2006-05-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-May-2006, at 10:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well Peter, ONE root server operator has that practice. Others have different practices regarding anycast. Actually, it looks to me like all thirteen root servers answer HOSTNAME.BIND CHAOS TXT queries (J might check for trailing dots,

Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain

2006-05-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-May-2006, at 01:17, Martin Hannigan wrote: At 2:43 PM -0400 05:11:2006, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: the how-to-label problem has been around since the w3c's pics effort. the jurisdictional issue is aterritorial, Negative. 92% of the root is under US jurisdiction How are you

electrical supplies retailer in downtown LA

2006-04-26 Thread Joe Abley
Anybody here have a favourite electrical supply store in downtown LA (or within easyish driving distance of downtown) which would stock 30A rack-mount power strips fed through a L5-30P twist-lock plug, with output through regular 15A three-pin receptacles? Please reply off-list. I can

[non-operational] possible IXP operators BOF in San Jose in June

2006-04-12 Thread Joe Abley
Hi all, Any IXP operators on this list interested in participating in a BOF at NANOG 37 in San Jose? This would be a get-together for exchange point operators to discuss back-end automation and measurement, switches, etc, not a place for ISPs to discuss peering. If anybody is

Re: Proxy/Caching Servers

2006-04-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Apr-2006, at 12:06, Joseph S D Yao wrote: On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:41:26PM -0400, Alain Hebert wrote: Hummm squid. With a touch of haproxy... (Or for those with money ServerIron's) ... Do Foundry ServerIrons proxy and cache, or just switch? ServerIrons don't

Re: shim6 @ NANOG

2006-03-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Mar-2006, at 23:48, Roland Dobbins wrote: On Mar 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Joe Abley wrote: No support in big networks is required, beyond the presence of shim6 in server stacks. Why do you say this? Enterprises who multihome need their client machines (tens and hundreds of thousands

Re: shim6 @ NANOG

2006-03-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Mar-2006, at 14:16, Owen DeLong wrote: It flies if you look at changing the routing paradigm instead of pushing routing decisions out of the routers and off to the hosts. Source Routing is a technology that most of the internet figured out is problematic years ago. Making source

Re: shim6 @ NANOG

2006-03-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Mar-2006, at 17:03, Stephen Sprunk wrote: All this time, energy, and thought spent on shim6 would have been better spent on a scalable IDR solution. Luckily, we still have another decade or so to come up with something. So the answer to the lack of a routing solution to

absense of multicast deployment

2006-03-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Mar-2006, at 11:48, Stephen Sprunk wrote: That depends on your perspective. There's a compelling need for usable multicast in many environments, and so far there's nobody (in the US) with a compelling need for IPv6, much less shim6. If there's such a compelling need for native

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 02:56, Kevin Day wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 12:47 AM, Joe Abley wrote: o a small to medium multi-homed tier-n isp A small-to-medium, multi-homed, tier-n ISP can get PI space from their RIR, and don't need to worry about shim6 at all. Ditto larger ISPs, up

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 10:33, John Payne wrote: On Mar 1, 2006, at 1:52 AM, Joe Abley wrote: Shim6 also has some features which aren't possible with the swamp -- for example, it allows *everybody* to multi-home, down to people whose entire infrastructure consists of an individual device

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 11:22, David Barak wrote: Also, the current drafts don't support middleboxes, which a huge number of enterprises use - in fact the drafts specifically preclude their existence, which renders this a complete non-starter for most of my clients. I have not yet reviewed the

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 11:55, David Barak wrote: --- Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just one guy, one ASN, and one content/hosting network. But I can tell you that to switch to using shim6 instead of BGP speaking would be a complete overhaul of how we do things. You are not alone

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 13:32, Kevin Day wrote: We have peering arrangements with about 120 ASNs. How do we mix BGP IPv6 peering and Shim6 for transit? You advertise all your PA netblocks to all your peers. Ok, I was a bit too vague there... How do we ensure that peering connections are

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 18:29, Randy Bush wrote: You will note I have glossed over several hundred minor details (and several hundred more not-so-minor ones). The protocols are not yet published; there is no known implementation. possibly this contributes to the sceptisim with which this is

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Feb-2006, at 11:09, Kevin Day wrote: Some problems/issues that are solved by current IPv4 TE practices that we are currently using, that we can't do easily in Shim6: Just to be clear, are you speaking from the perspective of an access provider, or of an enterprise? Joe

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Feb-2006, at 11:52, Kevin Day wrote: I'm not saying shim6 is flawed beyond anyone being able to use it. I can see many scenarios where it would work great. However, I'm really wary of it becoming the de facto standard for how *everyone* multihomes if they're under a certain size.

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Feb-2006, at 23:37, Daniel Golding wrote: Unacceptable. This is the whole problem with shim6 - the IETF telling us to sit back and enjoy it, because your vendors know what's best. Actually, I think the problem with shim6 is that there are far too few operators involved in

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 01:09, Randy Bush wrote: How about some actual technical complaints about shim6? good question. to give such discussion a base, could you point us to the documents which describe how to deploy it in the two most common situation operators see o a large multi-homed

Re: shim6 @ NANOG (forwarded note from John Payne)

2006-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Mar-2006, at 01:06, Christian Kuhtz wrote: However, the only alternative on the table is a v6 swamp. Would that really be so bad? I keep being bonked on the head by this thing called Moore's law. I don't know that anybody can tell how bad it might be. It'd be a shame if it

Re: DNS deluge for x.p.ctrc.cc

2006-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Feb-2006, at 03:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Limit UDP queries to 512 bytes. This greatly decreases the amplification affect, though it doesn't stop it. limiting UDP to 512 has other, unwanted effects, edns0 for one... crippling ENUM, DNSSEC, IPv6, etc... is

Re: a radical proposal (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

2006-02-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Feb-2006, at 19:33, Edward B. DREGER wrote: Want to dual-home to SBC and Cox? Great. You get IP space from 1.0.0/18 which is advertised via AS64511. Lots of leaf dual-homers do the same, yet there is ONE route in the global table for the lot of you. SBC and Cox

Re: a radical proposal (Re: protocols that don't meet the need...)

2006-02-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Feb-2006, at 13:32, Edward B. DREGER wrote: JA I get the feeling that there's a lot of solutions-designing going on in this JA thread without the benefit of prior problem-stating. Problem: Consumers want to multihome. That sentence needs profound expansion before it's going to be

Re: Google = Spam Source (was RE: Gmail weirdness?)

2006-02-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10-Feb-2006, at 13:43, Mark Foster wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Gary Wardell wrote: I've seen one or two blogs that suggest gmail has a potential as a source for anonymous SPAM and other abuses. One said he blocks all gmail. I'd be interested as to what others think. Well after I

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

2006-02-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Feb-2006, at 02:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But back to EMIX. Maybe they do not offer any peering today but is it true that they actively prohibit any companies with routers at EMIX from peering? There is no at EMIX. EMIX is an ISP, AS 8966, with network connecting various cities in

another exchange in Cairo

2006-02-09 Thread Joe Abley
At the risk of perpetuating a thread that arguably should have died some days ago, someone without a nanog-post subscription reminded me of GPX, who have plans to being an exchange point live in Egypt (amongst other places). http://www.gpx.ie/ No association, knowledge or endorsement

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

2006-02-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Feb-2006, at 23:25, Martin Hannigan wrote: You keep saying EMIX and you're confusing me. Peering or no? IX naturally insinuates yes regardless of neutrality. I'm not sure how to be more clear about this. EMIX is the name of a transit service offered by Emirates Telecom. Joe

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

2006-02-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:27, Aaron Glenn wrote: On 2/7/06, Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? http://www.emix.net.ae/ it's flash heavy fyi Note that EMIX is a transit service, not really peering.

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

2006-02-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote: I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in Kuwait as yet? Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya. The exchange point in Nairobi is called KIXP,

Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points

2006-02-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Feb-2006, at 20:50, Martin Hannigan wrote: As Joe's pointed out, what's available in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait are governmental monopoly incumbent transit services, a la STIX, as opposed to Internet exchanges where peering takes place. There are several private colocation

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

2006-02-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Feb-2006, at 15:21, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: honestly I'm not a fan of IRR's, so don't pay attention to them, but... is the IRR 'not well operated' or is the data stale because the 'users' of the IRR are 'not well operated' ? The data ought to be maintained by the people to

Re: Yahoo, Google, Microsoft contact?

2006-02-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Feb-2006, at 15:09, Dave Stewart wrote: At 02:55 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote: The heart of this problem, like so many other problems before it, is that most people are dumber than dirt itself. So ... responsible prociders should only serve customers with some minimum IQ? One can wish

Re: Anyone heard of INOC-DBA?

2006-02-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Feb-2006, at 15:59, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: With all due respect to the INOC-DBA project, which is actually somewhat interesting (from a I want to play with free IP phones too perspective if nothing else), it isn't a workable solution to operational contacts yet. I think you

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

2006-01-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Jan-2006, at 11:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but by definition, the right-most entry is the prefix origin... Suppose AS 9327 decides to originate 198.32.6.0/24, but prepends 4555 to the AS_PATH as it does so. Suppose 9327's uses a transit provider which builds prefix

Re: So -- what did happen to Panix?

2006-01-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Jan-2006, at 11:54, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jan 27, 2006, at 8:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seems to me that certified validation of prefix ownership and as path are the only real way out of these problems that does not teach us the 42 reasons we use a *dynamic* protocol.

Re: Martin Hannigan

2006-01-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Jan-2006, at 16:12, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Gadi Evron wrote: Martin Hannigan wrote: Admins: Clearly, a personal attack and I'd like the AUP enforced please. Clearly, exactly what you've been trying to get me to do for a long time, to get me off NANOG,

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you can get two candidate routes for the same

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 13:05, Joe Abley wrote: On 24-Jan-2006, at 12:07, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: He said via two different autonomous domains, which I took to mean two upstreams... and my understanding is that (on ciscos anyway) you're talking per-packet, not per-flow load balancing. If you

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 13:09, Robert E.Seastrom wrote: Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you can get two candidate routes for the same destination into the FIB, then you'll get per-flow load balancing as long as CEF is running, no? Yes and no. CEF is {src, dst} hash IIRC, and per-flow

Re: Split flows across Domains

2006-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2006, at 14:17, Matt Buford wrote: Actually, TCP handles out of order packets rather well as long as the reordering isn't too severe. There's packet reordering, and there's oscillating RTT on segments that travel by different paths. I suspect the veracity of your statement

Re: preventing future situations like panix

2006-01-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Jan-2006, at 14:47, Josh Karlin wrote: Short of perfect filters, or perfect IRRs combined with PKI, To what extent does the route object validation in the RIPE database (for routes covering RIPE-allocated space), together with maintainer object authentication, provide a perfect

Re: is this like a peering war somehow?

2006-01-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Jan-2006, at 07:54, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Alexander Harrowell wrote: Whatever. No-one's actually trying to do some packets are more equal than others here in Europe, except for the mobile people with IMS and such. BT just transferred its access network into

Re: is this like a peering war somehow?

2006-01-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Jan-2006, at 11:25, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Things like sports events will still require real-time feeds, and people will pay for them. That and breaking news seem like reasonable exceptions to point out in contrast to my rampant generalisations. For news, however, stories seem

Re: GoDaddy.com shuts down entire data center?

2006-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2006, at 18:15, Elijah Savage wrote: Any validatity to this and if so I am suprised that our team has got no calls on not be able to get to certain websites. http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=477562 I think the main thing I learned from that is that there are a

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 15:09, Randy Bush wrote: it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? Because it prevents stale, authoritative data on your nameservers being returned to intermediate-mode resolvers in the form of apparently authoritative answers,

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 17:07, Randy Bush wrote: it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? Because it prevents stale, authoritative data on your nameservers being returned to intermediate-mode resolvers in the form of apparently authoritative answers,

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 19:20, Sean Donelan wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS record for their domain even if you do not agree? Registrar

Re: [OCCAID] 6bone addresses going away in June

2006-01-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Jan-2006, at 11:23, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: guess terado services will get a facelift then too? (since they require/use the 3ffe range for comms) The most recent draft for teredo only requires use of 3FFE::/16 obliquely: 2.6 Global Teredo IPv6 service prefix An IPv6

Re: Gothcas of changing the IP Address of an Authoritative DNS Server

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Dec-2005, at 16:28, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sam Cr ooks writes: I would think you would want to drop your DNS record TTLs for all domains being moved to something very low several days before the switch-over period. More precisely, you want to

Re: Gothcas of changing the IP Address of an Authoritative DNS Server

2005-12-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Dec-2005, at 10:17, Joe Maimon wrote: Joe Abley wrote: You also want to check all the registries which are superordinate to zones your server is authoritative for, and check that any IP addresses stored in those registries for your nameserver are updated, otherwise you

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