Jon Lewis wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
[1] at least not until cisco adds a feature allowing you to ignore new BGP
routes for subnets of a bogon feed.
Last I understood from c-nsp this was a feature without much interest.
Is such a feature expected to arrive anytime soon? From any
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:20:15 -0800 (PST), David Barak
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Now if we can just get everyone else to play along...
>
Like for example old "cisco router config for dummies" type books (or
whatever) that people just look up and copy / paste example configs
from?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Owen DeLong
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:00 AM
> To: Edward Lewis
> Cc: Andrew Dul; nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
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>
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Here's my dilemma. On the one hand I hear calls for greater operational
input to ARIN. On the other hand is empirical evidence that there isn't
much input being given.
Correct... Generally, you hear those calls coming from ARIN because ARIN
is trying to maximize the involvement of its constituen
--On Thursday, March 24, 2005 16:32 -0500 Edward Lewis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 12:53 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
and _NOT_ ARIN. ARIN is responsible for the stewardship of assigned
numbers within the ARIN region.
>> NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
>> and _NOT_ ARIN.
whoever wrote this should share what they're smoking.
> Let's say DNSSEC is ready for deployment.
and cash falls from the sky
randy
--- Mike Leber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, there has been some movement - Cisco has changed
their policy, as noted here:
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-02/msg00354.html
Now if we can just get everyone else to play along...
David Barak
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Jeeze...
It seems there are all kinds of policy wonks ever so ready to errect
fantastic edifices and structure all manner of procedure and organization
in order to fix the problem of newly allocated address space being
filtered that is largely caused by a highly visible attractive nuisance,
and
At 13:01 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
There are not many such proposals in play at the moment because the ARIN
community reached consensus around most of these issues over the last
two years. There seems to be general agreement that the current state of
things is acceptable in terms of Whois
At 12:53 -0800 3/24/05, Owen DeLong wrote:
NO. Operational specifications and routing are the domain of the IETF
and _NOT_ ARIN. ARIN is responsible for the stewardship of assigned
numbers within the ARIN region. This includes IP addresses, Autonomous
System Numbers, and, DNS delegations for rev
--On Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:20 PM -0500 Edward Lewis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
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>> I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in
>> the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not
>> getting the r
> One question does haunt me about how the operations community views ARIN.
> Most ARIN policies are concerned with address allocation, reporting, and
> such. There are not many policies regarding the functional role ARIN
> plays in the Internet, the only one that leaps to mind is a lame
> delegat
---Original Message---
> From: "Edward Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
> Sent: 24 Mar 2005 12:20:08
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> At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
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> >I agree, I'd certainly like to see more p
> I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in
> the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not
> getting the right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we
> get more operators involved and active in the RIRs?
>
I'd like to point out t
At 17:01 + 3/24/05, Andrew Dul wrote:
I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the
process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not getting the
right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we get more
operators involved and active in th
>From: Michael.Dillon
>Date: Thu Mar 24 11:34:52 2005
>
>
>
>> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the
>> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but
>> ARIN's actions. If t
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> > > > is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
> > > > informed' admins the problem?
> > >
> > >Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem. ARIN is in
> > >a unique position to be able to do something
> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the
> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but
> ARIN's actions. If there is any dysfunction in ARIN, I suspect that
> it lay here.
Yes, this is what I believe. The ARIN membership is more
passive than I think is
At 15:17 + 3/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To begin with, nothing I have to say here has any bearing on the
other IRR's. There is a reason there are 4-5 IRRs, each should be
tuned to local sensibilities.
However, ARIN today is a very dysfunctional organization.
That is a very brash statem
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
> > ARIN is in a unique position to be able to do something to at
> > least try to mitigate the problem without too much effort before
> > handing "damaged IP space" out to members.
>
> damaged? so you will do your bit to undamage unused ip space by
> not b
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Daniel Senie wrote:
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> At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote:
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> >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > > > gets communicated to ARIN. Wha
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Randy Bush
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
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>
>
> > In any case,
>> is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
>> informed' admins the problem?
> Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem.
if aol is not worried enough to tell us an address to ping, perhaps
you can see why we prospective pingers are not getting our und
At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
>
> is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
> informed' admins the problem?
ARIN is not part of the prob
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > In any case, it is not important how the message
> > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
>
> is arin the problem here? or
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In any case, it is not important how the message
> gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly
informed' admins the pro
> In any case, it is not important how the message
> gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for
> network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN
> to do. One way to talk to ARIN is through the public
> meetings and another way is to email one of the
> trustees.
and one is to send
> it seems that even bureaucrazy ripe managed to do it without
> holding policy discussions; see henk's posting.
I believe that RIPE does these things BECAUSE it is
more bureaucratic than ARIN. As a result, RIPE staff
feel more empowered to do sensible projects outside of
the policy process.
In
>> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
>> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
>> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
>> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
>> block.
> ARIN meet
a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
block.
Based on what I've seen in
> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
> block.
ARIN meeting ha
At 20:05 23/03/2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Randy Bush writes:
>
>>> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
>>> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
>>> static bogon filters, can you please make sure the
Randy Bush wrote:
i do not understand what you are proposing. ahhh. you mean
o each asn register a pingable address within its normal space,
maybe in their irr route object
o the rirs set up a routing island with only the new prefix in
it
o from a box with that new prefix, the rir pings
--On 23 March 2005 11:15 -0800 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
at least one rir is just dying to become net police,
you don't need any mandatory aspect. Just publish which AS's have addresses
that can be pinged from old netblocks, but not from new ones. No more
"net police"-like than all the
>>> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
>>> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
>>> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
>>> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
>>> block.
>>
>>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Christopher L. Morrow
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:12 PM
> To: Randy Bush
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
>
>
>
>
> O
> let each AS owner register an IP address with IANA or their RIR, and use
> this test box to ping the AS owner.
i do not understand what you are proposing. ahhh. you mean
o each asn register a pingable address within its normal space,
maybe in their irr route object
o the rirs set up a
--On 23 March 2005 10:51 -0800 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
the lists so we can all test
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
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> >> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
> >> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
> >> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. Thank
> > if you are really worried ab
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Randy Bush writes:
>
>>> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
>>> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
>>> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. Thank
>> if you are really worr
>> a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
>> be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
>> by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
>> the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
>> block.
> Or maybe
Randy Bush wrote:
a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would
be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued
by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on
the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that
block.
Or may
>> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
>> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
>> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. Thank
> if you are really worried about this, and i can understand your
> being so, the
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> > We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
> > reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
> > static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. Thank
>
> if you are really worried about
> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly
> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a
> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. Thank
if you are really worried about this, and i can understand your
being so, then make
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