> > Regulations also do not imply the involvement of governments.
> > It is possible for industries to self-regulate such as the
> > ARIN policies which are a product of the ARIN membership,
> > i.e. companies who use IP addresses in their networks.
> >
> Mostly true. However, ARIN policies are
Reading some of this is rather disturbing, like if we
live in some kind of control freak society, where
every
comment is we are trying to control terrorism so we
must eliminate everyones right of expression and
distort every means of communication including the
internet.
I disagree that companie
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:26:54 EDT, Sean Donelan said:
> rankings of its search results, I assume a government regulatory agency
> will be able to issue orders and control how Google operates its
> bottleneck search infrastructure to provide fair, neutral and transparent,
> in the government agency's
On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 13:32 -0400, Todd Vierling wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Erik Haagsman wrote:
> > Ahhhthey feel they shouldn't sensor, and there I was thinking that
> > was Google's task in life. Very generous and what a great idea for new
> > laws that firmly put the blame on anyone but
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Erik Haagsman wrote:
> > Google will also push for laws that make ISPs and intermediaries liable for
> > the content contained on their servers. Google just indexes the information,
> > the search engine argued, and feels it is not its place to censor
> > information contained
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Daniel Golding wrote:
> > Google Goes to Washington
> > http://www.betanews.com/article/Google_Goes_to_Washington/1128691070
>
> Google also has a responsibility not to bite the hand that feeds it - the
> laise faire, unregulated Internet.
>
> Shame on them. Google is not suffe
--On October 7, 2005 2:56:10 PM +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Even those IXs with MPLA policy have to rely on law and courts for
>> enforcement -- that is, those with guns.
>
> In the United States, as in most countries, there is an
> explicit separation of the courts from the enforcemen
Daniel Golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 10/7/05 11:02 AM, "Ross Hosman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Google Goes to Washington
>>
>> One of the issues Google will tackle has become news
>> this week: Level 3 and Cogent Communications are
>> involved in a spat that has made Web si
On 10/7/05 11:02 AM, "Ross Hosman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Google Goes to Washington
>
> One of the issues Google will tackle has become news
> this week: Level 3 and Cogent Communications are
> involved in a spat that has made Web sites on each
> network inaccessible or very slow to us
At 16:26 07/10/2005, Erik Haagsman wrote:
> Google will also push for laws that make ISPs and intermediaries liable for
> the content contained on their servers.
> Well, isn't that "fun"?
Ahhhthey feel they shouldn't sensor, and there I was thinking that
was Google's task in life. Very gen
On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 11:21 -0400, Todd Vierling wrote:
> Another snippet from same article:
>
> =
> Google will also push for laws that make ISPs and intermediaries liable for
> the content contained on their servers. Google just indexes the information,
> the search engine argued, and feel
Also:
US Representative Edward J. Markey, a Massachusetts
Democrat and ranking member of the House
Telecommunications Subcommittee, hinted that the
Federal Communications Commission might interfere in
the matter. ''Obviously, I hope the parties will reach
a timely commercial arrangement to resolv
On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 14:56 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Laws only need to be enforced when there is a dispute.
> Laws and regulations, do not necessarily imply that
> enforcement action is needed. Many people and organizations
> comply with laws for reasons other than the existence of
> enf
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Ross Hosman wrote:
> Google Goes to Washington
> http://www.betanews.com/article/Google_Goes_to_Washington/1128691070
Another snippet from same article:
=
Google will also push for laws that make ISPs and intermediaries liable for
the content contained on their servers.
Google Goes to Washington
One of the issues Google will tackle has become news
this week: Level 3 and Cogent Communications are
involved in a spat that has made Web sites on each
network inaccessible or very slow to users on the
opposite network. Google said the government has a
responsibility to
Growing mainstream press today, e.g.,
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/10/07/
dispute_threatens_to_snarl_internet/
Note the title:
"Dispute threatens to snarl Internet: Service providers' row may spur
push for global regulation"
Quick showing of hands:
How many people th
> Even those IXs with MPLA policy have to rely on law and courts for
> enforcement -- that is, those with guns.
In the United States, as in most countries, there is an
explicit separation of the courts from the enforcement
of laws. For instance, in the United States, the Executive
Branch is in ch
On Fri, 2005-10-07 at 07:44 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> I repeat my initial assertion, to wit:
> >> This partitioning is exactly what we predicted in many meetings when
> >> discussi[ng] the terms of the contracts.
> >>
> >> Markets are inefficient for infrastructure and tend toward
Erik Haagsman wrote:
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 14:51 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Arguably a very good thing. IXs shouldn't be in the "enforcement"
business. That's for governments.
Exactly the reason I don't want governments anywhere near an IX. Every
network connected to an IX should b
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 12:44 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> Erik Haagsman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 11:56 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >>This partitioning is exactly what we predicted in many meetings when
> >>discussion the terms of the contracts.
> >>
> >>Markets are ineff
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 14:51 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >> Cogent, Open
> >> Level(3), Not public
> >> We Dare B.V., Open
> >>
> >> So, what did your member organization do to resolve this partition.
> >> Cut off Level(3)? Sue them?
> >
> >
> > That particular member organisatio
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> >> Following up on my own post, according to
> >> http://www.ams-ix.net/connected/
> >
> > Useful page, isn't it?
> >
> I wish that all IXs had one.
I wish everyones was as complete as LINX's:
https://www.linx.net/www_public/our_members/peerin
Niels Bakker wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Allen Simpson) [Thu 06 Oct 2005,
19:10 CEST]:
Following up on my own post, according to
http://www.ams-ix.net/connected/
Useful page, isn't it?
I wish that all IXs had one.
Cogent, Open
Level(3), Not public
We Dare B.V., Open
So
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Allen Simpson) [Thu 06 Oct 2005, 19:10 CEST]:
Following up on my own post, according to
http://www.ams-ix.net/connected/
Useful page, isn't it?
Cogent, Open
Level(3), Not public
We Dare B.V., Open
So, what did your member organization do to resolve this pa
On Oct 6, 2005, at 11:56 AM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Let me be the punching bag for pondering this on NANOG... What
about the
roles of governments building a consortium with Teir-1 NSP's where
those
backbone Tiers are regulated and have predefined, strictly enforced
rulesets they'd hav
William Allen Simpson wrote:
How do you expect to enforce your "member" regulations?
Again (to keep this on-topic), this partitioning is exactly what we
predicted. And I don't see your member regulations having any effect.
Following up on my own post, according to
http://www.ams-ix.net/c
Erik Haagsman wrote:
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 11:56 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
This partitioning is exactly what we predicted in many meetings when
discussion the terms of the contracts.
Markets are inefficient for infrastructure and tend toward monopoly.
How does replacing non-profit
On Thu, 2005-10-06 at 11:56 -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote:
> J. Oquendo wrote:
>
> > Let me be the punching bag for pondering this on NANOG... What about the
> > roles of governments building a consortium with Teir-1 NSP's where those
> > backbone Tiers are regulated and have predefined, str
J. Oquendo wrote:
Let me be the punching bag for pondering this on NANOG... What about the
roles of governments building a consortium with Teir-1 NSP's where those
backbone Tiers are regulated and have predefined, strictly enforced
rulesets they'd have to follow. The irony of this is that it so
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