On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper 10GBIC, even if its max
cable length were a few metres. ;-)
There is one. It's called CX4 and has a reach of 15 meters. Cisco sold it
for $600 list price at first but it has now disappeared from the price
list. I don't know why.
Ordered them when they first became available order is still on New
Product Hold.
BTW they use standard infiniband cables
Scott C. McGrath
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Thomas Kernen wrote:
On the other hand, it'd be nice to see a copper 10GBIC, even if its max
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On 2004-08-29, at 15.58, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
If you find the prices staggering, it's likely that you and your
organization don't need this product. Arguments about price gouging
on memory, GBICs, power cords, and other commodity items
--On onsdag 1 september 2004 10.31 +0200 Kurt Erik Lindqvist
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didn't we have this discussion when the T640 came out. How many have
one?
Nordunet has one. Nice box.
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Lars Erik Gullerud wrote:
Then there's always the option to implement something else. Hm, where
can I order a CARP license again...?
... which is why I think I used VRRP as an example - ignore and replace as
opposed to embrace and extend.
In answer to Mark Borchers' point about the IETF draft
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
1. Support: sometimes you will need vendor support, and
this is especially true of new products. Putting
Kingston DRAM in a 2600 is one thing; a limited test on
a few routers will quickly show if it works or not, and
the odds of an IOS upgrade that
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:17:22AM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
On the other hand, the use of patent licenses (like those
that say free if
you don't claim against us) for things like VRRP do worry me.
Everybody's
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Simon Lyall wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but this excerpt from
http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR//VRRP-CISCO does not seem to me
to portend predatory pricing:
However it does make an open source (and certainly a
Mikael Abrahamsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there anyone who can justify this pricing with anything else than
because we can?
To expand on what I said to you privately, let's follow the money:
Assume $200,000/board as the marginal cost of manufacturing one.
Assume a minimum of 65
Title: Re: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
Actually, (and this is from memory from a couple of years ago), most of the reason for cost of optics on 10G interfaces is simply *physics* (and the technology of component production at the current state-of-the-art level
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Dickson, Brian wrote:
do, with current-generation chip-production technology. 10Ghz optics are
old-school lasers, several orders of magnitude larger, much more
power-hungry, delicate, and in all likelyhood, hand-crafted with low yields.
They really are that expensive.
Title: RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
Aha. It appears I was correct in framing my knowledge as out-of-date. :-)
It looks like the technology *has* advanced, and that 10GE on MMF or SMF, single-channel, is what the current state of the art is, and at the $2k-3k
Michel Py wrote:
Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not
charities. Their purpose is to make investors and
shareholders (which includes me) happy. And yes, this
includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical
prices when they can, because it never lasts long.
Richard A
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR
card was $1099 you wouldn't hear any complaints from me.
That's even worse than the current prices! Given that the VSR is
currently 330k, the SR could be 450k and the IR 500k.
It's the fact that Cisco is
Grow up; when you buy a Saab brand part or option for a Saab car, it
costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice
as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from
the manufacturer, which is twice as much as it costs them to manufacture
overseas.
Deepak Jain wrote:
One could argue that this public private chaffing is what
precipitates the competition that alleviates the condition.
If another vendor doesn't realize there is demand...
Indeed; I'll even give an idea for free:
4 port OC192 IR $1030k
4 port OC192 VSR - $330k
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
Grow up; when you buy a Saab brand part or option for a Saab car, it
costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice
as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from
the manufacturer, which is twice as much as
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 10:28:24AM -0700, Michel Py wrote:
Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not charities.
Their purpose is to make investors and shareholders (which includes me)
happy. And yes, this includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical
prices when they can,
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
4 port OC192 IR $1030k
Is there anyone who can justify this pricing
with anything else than because we can?
That's a heck of a good reason! Any for-profit business tries hard to
position themselves where they could name their price.
This pricing is consistent with
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
so darn pricey it's because it's so darn good. Like Rolls-Royce cars,
the ones that buy them are typically not the ones that drive them, so
technical arguments tend to become irrelevant.
If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR card
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 10:45:22PM -0400, John R. Sosebee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some flava's of the GSR will show/report this .. under show controller but
cisco says it's +_ 5 dbm ..
they say .. ' You want a router or a meter ?
I have to agree .. would want not the expense of this
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Lane Patterson wrote:
the optical power readings. Don't know if any of them can measure
reflection to get distance as well?
There are even some with simple OTDR functionality built into them, just
like there are some copper ethernet PHYs that also have this (CTDR).
Hello all, wondering if anyone has seen or experienced this same problem.
Currently deploying an OC12 on a campus network and am using Netgear media
converters. Set up the lines and had lit fiber to the building I needed it
to go to. On one end (main drop) I had light and tested the connectivity
2 quick things come to mind-
single mode vs multimode, or the signal is too hot and you need attenuators.
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Hello all, wondering if anyone has seen or experienced this same problem.
Currently deploying an OC12
Can't wait until more routers start to incorporate inline optical
power readings in show interface commands the way Procket did :-)
Don't SFPs provide this sort of optical digital diagnostics?
DJ
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Deepak Jain wrote:
Can't wait until more routers start to incorporate inline optical
power readings in show interface commands the way Procket did :-)
Don't SFPs provide this sort of optical digital diagnostics?
Apparently the CRS-1 supports this, as well as a few
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lane Patterson) writes:
Can't wait until more routers start to incorporate inline optical
power readings in show interface commands the way Procket did :-)
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deepak Jain) adds:
Don't SFPs provide this sort of optical digital diagnostics?
Yes, but
about displaying these parameters from their CLI/management systems.
Vinay Bannai
Luminous Networks
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On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, J. Oquendo wrote:
Hello all, wondering if anyone has seen or experienced this same problem.
Currently deploying an OC12 on a campus network and am using Netgear media
^^^
converters. Set up the lines and
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Hello all, wondering if anyone has seen or experienced this same problem.
Currently deploying an OC12 on a campus network and am using Netgear media
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, John R. Sosebee wrote:
I have to agree .. would want not the expense of this added in.
At the huge markup Cisco does regarding their optics, they have the margin
to do this without hiking the price. They're already pricing in a complete
SDH system in their optics markup.
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