why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25?
because customer support and clue are worth another $25+/mo to me
and probably to anyone else who relys on their connectivity.
randy
Last mile usage? May be, but it is not supported by many consumer level
firewalls/NAT's/DSL devices, cheap switches and so on.
I agree, it is most likely usage for it (multicast) - last mile and 'last
patch' -:).
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From: Frank Coluccio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Ross
At 1:48 PM -0700 5/12/05, David Barak wrote:
--- Matthew Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 12, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Jeff Rosowski wrote:
| So imagine a residential area all pulling
digital video over
wireless.
| Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so
different)
You
On Sun, 15 May 2005 14:15:54 EDT, Howard C. Berkowitz said:
At 1:48 PM -0700 5/12/05, David Barak wrote:
One of the vendors from a previous NANOG (IIRC, it was
Pluris, but don't quote me) had a shirt extolling the
benefits of IP over MPLS over ATM over X.25 over
Frame-Relay over MPLS over PPP
So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters into
use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of
Because multicast
So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
Yes, so different...
Here's why: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10462
Terabyte Firewire/USB2.0 hard drive for $979
If your network has to feed
And virtualized? ASP (Application Service Providers) were going to
Change
The Computing Environment. Googling for application service
provider gets 2.3
*million* hits. Their *actual* impact? You tell me.
Their impact can't be measured because it spread out into niche
markets. Like blogs
Alexei Roudnev wrote:
What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters into
use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of
Because multicast standards was written by academic idiots. -:) Very
difficult to use and full of unused features.
(Do not
Matthew Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I'm going for v.90 over VoIP over DSL. Hopefully I'll be able to get
a 28.8k connection over my DSL line ;)
It's astonishingly unreliable, although it could be my setup. V.32 is
marginally more reliable than V.90. Yes, I'm using the G.711a codec.
On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:23:14 BST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Their impact can't be measured because it spread out into niche
markets. Like blogs and wikis and all those photo sites.
And my company's network with 1,000 customers and PoPs in
20 countries all doing 100% ASP traffic. ASPs businesses
Valdis Kletnieks wrote:
there's going to be *plenty* of room for small
flexible operators in niche markets, at both
ends of the pipe.
Agreed. Adding some substance to those words, see:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21312808
Frank A. Coluccio
DTI Consulting
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On
On Thu, 12 May 2005 13:40:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 14:32:45 -0400, Joe Loiacono proclaimed...
So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
What I can't understand is
Fred Heutte wrote:
(1) There will be a market for independent ISPs as long CLECs
I think a more appropriate term would be ALEC
(anti-competitive local exchange carrier)
...That having been said, the problem with the small guys providing access is
they can't generally achieve the economies of
At a guess supplying services the Comcasts and Verizons of this world haven't
managed to provide well, like DNS, Email, Webservices, and feeding trolls.
ADSL is virtualised here anyway, as it is almost all from the national
telecomms carrier. Some of my best friends own virtual ISPs, they
As an economist I know likes to say: It depends.
To a varying extent (in some markets more than others), the massive
oversubscription of cable that meant poor bandwidth/latency at peak
times has declined to the point where the older arguments of committed
versus max is less meaningful. Of
For every day a company does the same thing they did yesterday, they
will be in business one day fewer
... or something like that,
- bri
Matt Bazan wrote:
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey
While I'm not claiming this is the beginning of a trend, last
week a former dialup customer who left ShaysNet for Comcast several
months ago returned to our dialups AND brought along a friend who had
never been one of our customers before but who was fed up with Comcast.
Not pointing any fingers but many of you think these
small ISP's are just going to die off instead of
adapt. Wireless is becoming a better and more reliable
technology that in the future will be able to provide
faster service then FTTH. I know of atleast one small
ISP in Michigan that went from
Not pointing any fingers but many of you think these
small ISP's are just going to die off instead of
adapt. Wireless is becoming a better and more reliable
technology that in the future will be able to provide
faster service then FTTH. I know of atleast one small
ISP in Michigan that went from
So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters into
use yet. I see it as a really pent-up capability that, in light of
broadband video,
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 14:32:45 -0400, Joe Loiacono proclaimed...
So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
What I can't understand is why multicast hasn't just gone gangbusters into
use yet. I see it as
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| So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
| Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
You mean like VoIP over dsl ?
Burning gigantic holes in the bandwidth to carry traffic
| So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over wireless.
| Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
You mean like VoIP over dsl ?
I'm looking to setup DSL over VoIP over DSL next. smirk
On May 12, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Jeff Rosowski wrote:
| So imagine a residential area all pulling digital video over
wireless.
| Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so different)
You mean like VoIP over dsl ?
I'm looking to setup DSL over VoIP over DSL next. smirk
I'm going for v.90
--- Matthew Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 12, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Jeff Rosowski wrote:
| So imagine a residential area all pulling
digital video over
wireless.
| Sound familiar? Ironically close to TV! (yet so
different)
You mean like VoIP over dsl ?
I'm
Wow, I hope not Matt. That is a VERY Bleak outlook.
Mark D. Bodley
President
Cyrix Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.cyrixsys.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
Bazan
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 11 May 2005 15:02:29 PDT, Matt Bazan said:
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land.
I've heard this over and over again, and it's just not happened. I'm
still one of the few 100% facilities based dial ISPs left in Iowa,
and if I have to be reduced to being a reseller to
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25? think you
dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of time
before most of you isps are down the toilet. im reminded of the mom and
pop grocery store
It's simple,
A DSL provider like speakeasy offers much more to a technical user
like myself than Comcast does, plus they have an incentive to keep me
happy, if i'm not i can leave and go with a competitor, comcast does,
and has on many occasions, simply told me to go f*ck myself when i
Title: Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
I have to second this one,
having used Comcast and qwest. I look for the small guy, they have something to
loss if I drop them and switch. I also like that I can drive down to there
office and sit on
Wow! You can buy groceries at Kohls now? :-)
-Jim P.
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:08 -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25? think you
dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact,
I spent many happy years on Comcast, during which time they offered $25
dollar specials every so often, but it always creeped back up to $40.
Bellsouth adsl seems to be no different in quality and service. I think they
are all quite aware of the 'going price', and do not intend to kill that
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 12:43 -0600, Shaun Bryant wrote:
I have to second this one, having used Comcast and qwest. I look for
the small guy, they have something to loss if I drop them and switch.
I also like that I can drive down to there office and sit on someone's
desk if I am not getting the
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 02:49:50PM -0400, Harold A. Mackey wrote:
I spent many happy years on Comcast, during which time they offered $25
dollar specials every so often, but it always creeped back up to $40.
Bellsouth adsl seems to be no different in quality and service. I think they
are
It won't be long before the telco's respond by offering DSL at the same
speed/price. I've heard (but don't *know*) that SBC is selling 6 down
and 1 up in Houston and Dallas for $35.
We're doing a fair business selling accelerated dial up for $15. Its
surprising how many folks don't want
yep, bryan brings up a good point too. looks like the private dsl
reseller ship will soon be taking on more water and floundering yet
further.
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From: Brian Battle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:32 AM
To: Matt Bazan
Subject: RE: what will
Matt Bazan wrote:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25? think you
dsl resellers out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of time
before most of you isps are down the toilet. im reminded of the mom and
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| It's simple,
| A DSL provider like speakeasy offers much more to a technical user like
| myself than Comcast does, plus they have an incentive to keep me happy,
| if i'm not i can leave and go with a competitor, comcast
well i doubt that ma and pa smith and their herd of pigs will keep many
isps in business. and a few years down the road technical innovations
will allow those without access to readily have broadband for todays
dial up prices. (no offense all you hog farmers - my grandparents were
hog farmers.
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You mean those of us who ARE private isps?
Probably doing what we are doing today, reacting to the
enviroment.
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Yo Bob!
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Bob Martin wrote:
It won't be long before the telco's respond by offering DSL at the same
speed/price. I've heard (but don't *know*) that SBC is selling 6 down and 1 up
in Houston and Dallas for $35.
BendTel here is
On Wed, 11 May 2005 12:31:51 PDT, Matt Bazan said:
well i doubt that ma and pa smith and their herd of pigs will keep many
isps in business.
Oddly enough, a famous BBN pioneer has a sheep farm the next county over,
and he's contributing to a local ISP's bottom line
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 11:08:41 PDT, Matt Bazan said:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25?
What date does Comcast project the *reliable* availability of that service at
that
price point in *my* area?
Make
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Matt Bazan wrote:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private reseller
when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25? think you dsl resellers
out there are doomed. in fact, just a matter of time before most of you isps
are down the toilet.
On this I am wondering what the user market would chose with an offer from a
DSL provider of a guaranteed bandwidth purchase with a
contention based cap on max speed. For example DSL sold with a guaranteed
bandwidth availability of 256K (or 512K, 768K etc based
on 256K increments) with a up
That sums it up nicely.
Bob Martin
Joe Maimon wrote:
-snip-
Its hardly a foregone conclusion. As it stands, the largest cause of
broadband market aggregation is the erosion of fair access provisions
and a sleeping(drunk?)-at-the-wheel FCC.
Joe
Folks,
I'm going to butt in here. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Several years ago, here in California, the word was spread that a cable
company has the right to the data and to the information which can be
derived from it: rational was that cable is PRIVATE whereas things like
POTS lines, DSL, T1,
You mean those of us who ARE private isps?
Probably doing what we are doing today, reacting to the
enviroment.
Amen.
And, might I add, doing it faster and more efficiently (although on a
smaller scale) than any BigCo can.
(I feel like troll bait... but will elaborate sense others have taken
up
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 12:29:43PM -0700, Bruce Pinsky wrote:
ISDN, and other on-demand technologies. The AUPs, filtering policies,
routing policies, etc of cable operators are simply not geared to meet the
needs of even the most simplistic of corporate requirements.
FSVO * policies.
Bright
Jim Popovitch wrote:
Wow! You can buy groceries at Kohls now? :-)
(1) Kohls is/was a regional (Wisconsin) grocery store chain[0].
(2) Please do not feed the trolls.
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:08 -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
I think your argument is at best uninformed, at worst non-existent.. you need to
provide some references, examples, figures, whatever.. else this is little more
than trolling.
Not only that... since there isn't anything operational in nature about
the question or
The fact is, DSL is a competitive market, Cable is not, competitive
markets keep customers happy, monopolies anger people.
How are they different?
With DSL, you are usually using the ILECs copper to provide service and
paying them.
With cable, there are some places that offer a choice in
I, personally, was told, during a job interview in the San Jose area,
for a position as a Forth programmer, that the desired outcome of the
project was for the cable company to derive access information and
purchasing information from the streams of electrons coursing through
their cable medium.
Matt, your questions seem extremely prejudiced to a determined outcome. In
my opinion resellers are in the long run going to lose because of lack of
tangible assets (there is my Bias, on the table. I have my own facilities,
and equipment). However because pure resellers lack the facilities they
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest trends and needs. there will be no use
for the small
On May 11, 2005, at 6:02 PM, Matt Bazan wrote:
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey
solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest trends
On 5/11/05, Matt Bazan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
bottom line is that in a few years everything will be virtualized and
cosolodation will rule the land. there will be single turnkey solutions
for the end user / corporate environment that will be infinitely
configurable to meet the latest
(1) There will be a market for independent ISPs as long CLECs
continue to let their customers enjoy poor service and unnecessary
restrictions. Bandwidth is a commodity and scales appropriately;
service is service and does not scale without a great deal
of management commitment, resources, money,
On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 11:08 -0700, Matt Bazan wrote:
why in the world would anyone want to purchase dsl from a private
reseller when i can get 4mb down 384 up from comcast for $25?
Broadband access may become limited to the cable provider and the phone
company, once access to the CO becomes
On Wed, 11 May 2005, David Lesher wrote:
And the best part; they cut down the copper drop when they install the
glass. No more copper EVER, and no resale, no UNE, no COVAD, etc -- you
and future owners are stuck with Ma, period.
For *now*, ISPs that use VZ DSLAMs can buy wholesale (tariffed,
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