Re: net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:28:24 PST, Jay Hennigan said: > > Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :) > > People in the poultry business? :-) Actually, a somewhat reasonable conclusion for a non-native speaker of English, and a concern that *does* have to be addressed by many of the "plethor

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

>Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough >to think you know them.. ^ That is the problem. Password access to a members-only looking glass can prevent temptation and grief. And nobody needs shell access per se because we are talking about people who have root on their own serv

Re: net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

> > > net-co-op.org. ... > > > > Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :) > > People in the poultry business? :-) chicken.coop was sought for by many, myself included. The Director, Co-op Business Development and Member Services, National Cooperative Business Association, and I are now

Re: net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Daniel Medina wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 02:01:43PM -0700, Janet Sullivan wrote: > > Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in > > sharing our resources & know-how with each other, I've just registered > > net-co-op.org. ... > > Oh come on,

Re: net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Janet, Since your note earlier today there have been just under 200 fetches of the html. I've written to Byron Henderson and asked him to help me with the coop formation. He and I worked on the .coop sTLD proposal, and as I mention I discussed member-owned colo coop with Carolyn Hoover of the NC

Re: net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 02:01:43PM -0700, Janet Sullivan wrote: > Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in > sharing our resources & know-how with each other, I've just registered > net-co-op.org. ... Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :) -- Daniel Medina

net-co-op (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in sharing our resources & know-how with each other, I've just registered net-co-op.org. In the next couple of days I'll set up a mailing list and a basic web page. Once the mailing list is set up, I'll post another message to N

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Mike Damm wrote: That being said, I've had the idea for a couple years now of getting enough geeky folks together to rent a rack on both coasts and populate it with a few different operating systems and bits of gear for just the reasons outlined in this thread. So if you decide to put something to

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Hello Janet/List - First, allow me to introduce myself, my name is Jonathan M. Slivko and I work for InvisibleHand Networks, Inc. (http://www.invisiblehand.net). Currently, we offer colocation and bandwidth services in the New York/New Jersey market (Telehouse and Equinix to be precise). The re

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Janet Sullivan wrote: > How would this vetting process work? I'm willing to give other nanog > folks shell accounts on my machine in return for same, but I really > don't want to hand out accounts to packet kiddies. Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough to th

who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

I have been aching for this now for about six years. In every professional setting I've ever been in, a need for this kind of thing arises and my advice to my employer/client is always the same: pay the $x per month for a colo server for your network/system engineers to use as an outpost for eme

[Fwd: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?]

Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this Well, I do have motives beyond outbound smtp. I actually looke

Re: Long-term identifiers (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Sean, SD> ... A long-term end-to-end SD> identifier would let me immediately drop the specific infected computer's SD> traffic regardless of its rotating IP addresses, even if your abuse What is to prevent rapid changes to the identifier, even more easily than rapidly changing IP addresses? I

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> > In case I every get another job at a University, how do you separate > "student areas" from "administration areas"? When we disable the network in a particular area, if a non-student calls then its a non-student area ;) Eric :)

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Painting with a broad brush the differentiation between student and administrative networks is based on location,role and ownership A public ethernet port in a library is a "student" network even though "administrative" computers may be connected from time to time. The librarian's machine is att

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Curtis Maurand wrote: Then anyone can walk up to the machine and get onto the network simply by turning on the machine. The system you're looking for involve biometrics or smartcards. Firewalls between student and administration areas would be a good idea as well. It must be dreadful to wor

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote: > > You must be talking about a different Netreg system that the one everyone > else has used. The one we're talking about involves you logging in when you > connect with an unknown MAC - once you've used the system to match your MAC > to your student number/

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote: > Yes I am... I am referring to a system which an unmentionable university > has in place. It requires the user to enter their username and password > each time the link state changes before they are allowed

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:17:27 -0500 (EST) Andrew Dorsett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not referring to the time required to implement. I'm talking about > the time it takes for the user. On the user end. Lets do some simple > math. Lets say I turn on my laptop before I shower, I power it d

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> Too bad I can't automate the web logins. Huh!? http://curl.haxx.se/ And then there are all those Windows macro recorder programs http://www.tucows.com/macros95_default.html --Michael Dillon

network or not? Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

that idea!! :-) scott : : - Original Message - : From: "Scott Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:32 PM : Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap : (personal) 1U colo?) : : : > : >

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote: > You must be talking about a different Netreg system that the one everyone > else has used. The one we're talking about involves you logging in when you > connect with an unknown MAC - once you've used the system to match your MAC > to your student number/lo

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Andrew Dorsett > Sent: March 15, 2004 11:17 PM > To: John Kristoff > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? > > > > I'm

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Kristoff wrote: > There are certain environments where it would be nice for people to have > spent some time. Working at a university would be one good experience for > many people, particularly in this field, to have had. I fully agree...This is the one environment wh

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > And then there's the newer high-density rackmount units like > . This product puts > up to 24 server blades in a 3U chassis which basically means you can put > 8 times as many servers in a rack. sadly, the blade ven

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> > I'll take "the right customer base" for $50 please Alex. > > which is NOT the current dsl/cable-modem user, obviously? Correct. > > Rick Adams and Mike O'Dell had an idea in 1987. How is this any different? > > > > mumble, mumble giant telephone company mumble mumble... In all > seriousness

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> > Rick Adams and Mike O'Dell had an idea in 1987. > > How is this any different? actually rick had the idea by himself in 1987. mike came a bit later. > Their idea, if I got it right, was 'ip everywhere'. in that most other companies still thought ISO/OSI was going to be the commercial proto

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote: > > Certianly the point central to your arguement is that with the right > > abuse-desk to customer ratio AND the right customer base, things could be > > kept clean for smtp/web/ftp/blah 'hosting'. > > I'll take "the right cust

Re: .edueyeball LART RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:42 -1000, Scott Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Also, most .edueyeball networks have (and have always had) a VERY low > budget for networking stuff. As a result, generally, there is little to > no plant map documentation, so it isn't the case of looking up the > physi

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Is it bad, If they (your sysadmins) understand your backbone infrastructure and understand such things, as MTU MTU discovery, knows about ACL filters (without extra details) and existing limitations? They are not required to know about VPN mode or T3 card configuration, but they must understand ba

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

- Original Message - From: "Scott Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?) > > > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Alexei Roudn

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

> I find it ironic that one of the presentations at the last nanog was about > a system kind of like that: > http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0402/gauthier.html > and that we had some luser on the nanog30 wireless network infected by SQL > slammer. Well it wouldnt be nanog without a few infections, passw

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log > in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to > get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows > up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be inter

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Randy Bush wrote: : > No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and : > then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/ sysadmins. To prove : > it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of : > detail. : : to pass the buck, one

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 12:21:54PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > > No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and > > then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/ sysadmins. To prove > > it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of > > detail. > >

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

> No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and > then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/ sysadmins. To prove > it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of > detail. to pass the buck, one needs to know nothing. what makes a great noc engin

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

detail. scott : : - Original Message - : From: "Pete Templin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:16 AM : Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap : (personal) 1U colo?) : : : > : > Lau

.edueyeball LART RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

: > This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too : > many problems with providers who don't understand the college : > student market. I can think of one university who requires : > students to login through a web portal before giving them a : > routable address. This is such a was

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

not a good answer. - Original Message - From: "Pete Templin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?) > > Laurence F. Sh

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: I didn't suggest saying "I'm not gonna do it". I just suggested "You hired me to deploy dynamic routing on your statically-routed network. What prompted you to think that I could configure site-wide anti-virus services such that no one ever

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

John, There are the beginnings of some wireless devices that are capable of directing wireless clients to cease transmission with L2 link control messages. These are just beginning to emerge, and unfortunately I'm certain that with only a matter of time people will write drivers that ignore such

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On 15 Mar 2004 08:01:15 -0500 "Robert E. Seastrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log > > in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to > > get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows [...] > Seconded. T

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this Well, I do have motives beyond outbound smtp. I actually looked

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:57:03 -0500 (EST), Sean Donelan wrote: > NANOG has less than 500 attendees, >yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other >ad-hoc network population. If true this is a very significant fact

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Pete Templin wrote: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route, I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats at my day j

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route, I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats at my day job, but I remind them

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] : If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the the University

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] : If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the the University's. That's always there, but at

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Pete Templin wrote: > Employee to PHB: "You hired me to provide core network engineering and lead the level 2 network ops staff. Tell me again why you want me to provide any server engineering, if you knew my strengths when you hired me?" There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulti

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Ken Diliberto wrote: Something else I just remembered: Connecting so much equipment in our dorms creates a fire hazard. The are only two or three outlets (what I've been told) in a room shared by two or three students. Add to the computer equipment a TV, stereo, DVD player, alarm clocks, cor

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:29:29 -0500 (EST) Andrew Dorsett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too many problems > with providers who don't understand the college student market. I can There are certain environments where it would be nice for people t

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Seconded. This is dirt simple to do. If we believe in public humiliation, a list of infected machines and their owners (along with a suitably snarky "don't hire these top network engineers to maintain your fleet of windows boxes" message) could be displayed on the pro

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

> a suitably snarky "don't hire these top network engineers to maintain > your fleet of windows boxes" message) could be displayed on the Is this an opt-in list? I'd like to opt-in. Now. Nu. Proto. A lifetime ago.

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log > in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to > get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows > up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be interesting > for a res

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

>I expect every NANOG conference from now on will be filled with >announcements asking people to please fix their computers because >worms are killing the network. NANOG has less than 500 attendees, >yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other >ad-hoc network population. May

Re: Long-term identifiers (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

Sean Donelan wrote: If I send an abuse complaint to an organization's mailbox on a Friday night, will it be dealt with in the next 10 seconds? Or sometime next week? If the computer reboots every 60 seconds, and gets different IP addresses every time, a single infected computer can appear with l

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> Certianly the point central to your arguement is that with the right > abuse-desk to customer ratio AND the right customer base, things could be > kept clean for smtp/web/ftp/blah 'hosting'. I'll take "the right customer base" for $50 please Alex. >

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

>For most people it'd probably make much more sense to find a provider that >offers some form of SMTP relay service. It'd probably be cheaper/month, >and they wouldn't have the trouble and expense of providing/maintaining >a colo server. Yep, if you aren't technically inclined that is better.

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> $50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full. And then there's the newer high-density rackmount units like this one http://www.rlx.com/products/serverblades/dense.php This product puts up to 24 server blades in a 3U chassis which basically means you can put 8 times as many servers

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Sorry this thread is huge, I hope I'm not repeating comments.. if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this Steve On Sun, 14 Mar 20

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon Mar 15, 2004 at 12:26:09PM +0200, Rafi Sadowsky wrote: > AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 - > See "N1 Grid Containers" on > > You can get a non-supported preview for free > (or pay 99$ for one year support) Well, it's Zones. I downloaded the la

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

## On 2004-03-14 11:58 - Simon Lockhart typed: SL> SL> If someone can point me to Virtual Solaris Machine, then I'd willingly offer SL> that as a service (the colo I help run as a "hobby" is Sun only). AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 - See "N1 Grid Containers" on

Long-term identifiers (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote: > In a dorm room situation or an apartment situation, you again know the > physical port the DHCP request came in on. You then know which room that > port is connected to and you therefore have a general idea of who the > abuser is. So whats the big dea

Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Petri Helenius wrote: > I see this as a two different processes. There are definetly some > individuals who have no help whatsoever with their computers and need > the abuse/helpdesk to walk them through the disinfecting process. Gartner estimates the total cost of ownership

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Paul Vixie wrote: at scale, with things as they now are, i simply don't believe this. with a 1:1 ratio (daily customers to onduty clues), it is never going to be possible to contact every customer out of band (by phone, that is) when they need to be told how to de-virus their win/xp box. not

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Ken Diliberto wrote: The smarter students put a NAT box on their port so they can run their desktop, laptop, XBox and have a place their friend can plug in. NAT is evil, not smart. If the addresses run out because of legitimate use, more addresses should be allocated. Pete

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Andrew Dorsett wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Andrew Dorsett [3/15/2004 9:52 AM] : Well whats wrong with you setting up a small router and using one IP? The crap I hear most of the time is that they want to only issue one ip per Nothing particularly wrong with it a

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: And what is wrong with setting up a hub or something in a dormroom? I find it quite convenient to leave both my PC and a laptop running on my desk, for various reasons (too many open terminals and windows is one of them ...) I've

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff McAdams) writes: > No, you're presenting a false dichotomy. A provider can provide a > first-rate abuse desk, and still be price competitive. It can be done. > It requires a fair amount of clue level in the ISP, but it most > definitely can be done. at scale, with thing

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Christopher L. Morrow") writes: > > > It has very little to do with the quality of the ISP's abuse desk. > > > > long term, it does. my sister is in sbc-dsl territory and before i > > linuxed her and tunneled her, ... > > As was pointed out to me by a co-worker: "Linux is no

Re: Race to the bottom (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

> ... What you seem to be asking for is how can an individual obtain > independent IP address space which various block lists won't block for > $50/month. s/which various block lists won't block /whose reputation can be reasonably defended / > ... And once you find such a thing, how to prevent

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> > If anyone on the east coast also thinks this is something worth putting > together (either for-profit or as a co-op situation), feel free to contact > me directly. This is currently being organized in the IAD area: http://lists.gotroot.com/mailman/listinfo/dcccp We've done a similar setup

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > if you know of a place that offers 1U/month for $50/month with some kind of > bandwidth limitations (moderate peak, low average), and a strong abuse desk > (including repossessing the 1U server upon proof of abuse or neglect), please > send me e-mail with

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Andrew Dorsett [3/15/2004 9:52 AM] : > > > Well whats wrong with you setting up a small router and using one IP? The > > crap I hear most of the time is that they want to only issue one ip per > > Nothing particularly wrong with it as long as

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, David A. Ulevitch wrote: > Has it been a while since you've been on a resnet? They're bad, but most > all "ResNet's" I know of are now implementing some sort of MAC/DHCP combo > at the very least. The thing to remember is that all rooms are locked until someone is issued a

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Andrew Dorsett [3/15/2004 9:52 AM] : Well whats wrong with you setting up a small router and using one IP? The crap I hear most of the time is that they want to only issue one ip per Nothing particularly wrong with it as long as there's some mechanism to zero in on rooted / abused machines ther

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > And what is wrong with setting up a hub or something in a dormroom? I > find it quite convenient to leave both my PC and a laptop running on my > desk, for various reasons (too many open terminals and windows is one of > them ...) Well whats

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> And what is wrong with setting up a hub or something in a dormroom? I > find it quite convenient to leave both my PC and a laptop running on my > desk, for various reasons (too many open terminals and windows is one of > them ...) Our ResNet doesn't forbid that in the AUP (yet). They provid

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> -Original Message- > From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: March 14, 2004 10:16 PM > To: Andrew Dorsett > Cc: Vivien M.; 'North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes' > Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? > > And w

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: And what is wrong with setting up a hub or something in a dormroom? I find it quite convenient to leave both my PC and a laptop running on my desk, for various reasons (too many open terminals and windows is one of them ...) I've been trying to figure out what is

Race to the bottom (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > Some do. However, without a server that can be impounded and then sold > on E-Bay, there's no reason to think that the provider will have less > abuse volume from such customers than they would have from SMTP AUTH > customers or DSL customers or what-have-

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> Experiment ... go to a college dorm that's wired, plug your laptop or PC > in, start using the net. > Nine times out of ten you wont' be challenged and you'll be > allowed to use the network. Has it been a while since you've been on a resnet? They're bad, but most all "ResNet's" I know of a

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Andrew Dorsett [3/15/2004 8:26 AM] : That's protected by port security. Just limit them to one mac address per port. So only the last machine transmitting will get the reply. Works quite well, shut me down for a few days a few years ago when it was first turned on. Most common or garden wirele

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote: > credibly argue "But I never read this AUP". The web-based DHCP registration > system prevents that. Ok, I'll give that one to you. :) Got me there hehehe Though now we are making the AUP a part of the freshman orientation session so there are no excuses.

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Tim Wilde wrote: : > I have actually. I see an awful lot of services for incoming SMTP : > filtering of spam/viruses, or just to hold the mail while you are offline, : > but haven't seen outgoing SMTP services - which is why I asked :-) : : As I posted earlier in this thread

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

--On Sunday, March 14, 2004 19:14 -0600 Stephen Sprunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Students have an existing legal relationship with the school; they can be required to accept the AUP in writing at some point during the enrollment process. Experiment ... go to a college dorm that's wired, plug y

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Stephen Sprunk wrote: Thus spake "Vivien M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually, you're forgetting what I think is the biggest reason for doing this: before the user registers via the web-based DHCP thing, they are shown the AUP and have to say they agree to it. If you just leave straight IP connection

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > Students have an existing legal relationship with the school; they can be > required to accept the AUP in writing at some point during the enrollment > process. They may have legal relationship with the school but internet service can be considered t

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Thus spake "Vivien M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Actually, you're forgetting what I think is the biggest reason for doing > this: before the user registers via the web-based DHCP thing, they > are shown the AUP and have to say they agree to it. If you just leave > straight IP connections available in

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

Thus spake "Christopher L. Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > > So DOCSIS has a technical limitation which may or may not apply. This is > > reasonable justification for limiting upstream bandwidth, not for specifying > > that users can't run servers. If u

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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > What do you think spews wants? My experience with them has been that > > that's pretty much the only thing that will satisfy them. I have had > > That's funny since we've cleaned up several over the years, yet they are > still listed... and

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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > There are several blacklists that clearly want more from the ISP than an > > explanation that the offendors are being/were removed... one good example > > is 'spews'. > > What do you think sp

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > There are several blacklists that clearly want more from the ISP than an > explanation that the offendors are being/were removed... one good example > is 'spews'. What do you think spews wants? My experience with them has been that that's pret

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Bohdan Tashchuk wrote: > Question: Why can't a provider sell virtual PC colocation, instead of > physical PC colocation? Several do. We nearly bought a failing one that was doing alot of this with a commercial Linux virtualization product. > So instead of 40 physical machi

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Brian Bruns wrote: > I have actually. I see an awful lot of services for incoming SMTP > filtering of spam/viruses, or just to hold the mail while you are offline, > but haven't seen outgoing SMTP services - which is why I asked :-) As I posted earlier in this thread, DynDN

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On Sun, March 14, 2004 5:45 pm, Vivien M. said: > > Have you been looking at providers in the right industry? Such services > are > usually offered as addons by people who sell DNS services (especially > dynamic DNS) and other such things designed to make it easier for people > to > run their own

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brian Bruns > Sent: March 14, 2004 5:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? > > > Hm, are there companies out there that offe

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

On Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:58 PM [EST], Janet Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My cable modem provider filters port 25, so I can't run my own SMTP > server. Their mail servers suck. Yes, I could pay for a business class > cable modem connection and they'd unblock the port... but I'd like

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Paul Vixie wrote: every time i tell somebody that they shouldn't bother trying to send e-mail from their dsl or cablemodem ip address due to the unlikelihood of a well staffed and well trained and empowered abuse desk defending the reputation of that address space, i also say "buy a 1U and put it s

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Christopher L. Morrow wrote: how are 'servers' (smtp/web/ftp/imap) different than the existing P2P apps? Wouldn't a cable provider, if the decision was based on upstream bandwidth sharing alone, care MORE about P2P than 'servers' ? But the decision is a business decision, because you can make

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