Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Barton F Bruce
Seth Mattinen wrote: I have a pure curiosity question for the NANOG crowd here. If you run your facility/datacenter/cage/rack on 120 volts, why? I've been running my facility at 208 for years because I can get away with lower amperage circuits. I'm curious about the reasons for using high-amp

Re: Out of warranty APC PDU repair

2009-05-27 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Oliver Hookins wrote: Hi all, hopefully this isn't too off topic (since it's datacentre related). We have an APC AP7952 rack PDU which has stopped working. I believe the management module is faulty, and it is about 5 years old. APC don't service these outside of warranty at all so I'm

Re: Out of warranty APC PDU repair

2009-05-27 Thread Barton F Bruce
- Original Message - From: Oliver Hookins oliver.hook...@anchor.com.au To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: Out of warranty APC PDU repair Hi all, hopefully this isn't too off topic (since it's datacentre related). We have an APC AP7952 rack PDU which

Re: Out of warranty APC PDU repair

2009-05-27 Thread Oliver Hookins
On Wed May 27, 2009 at 03:17:24 -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(r) Pro* - Original Message - From: Oliver Hookins oliver.hook...@anchor.com.au To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: Out of

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Colin Alston
On 2009/05/26 10:46 PM Aaron Wendel wrote: Last time I looked at my bill I was being billed by the kWh P=V*I

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Brian Raaen
As a Holder of two different FCC licenses I can tell you voltage is not what kills, it is amps and location that kill. Actually in certain cases as long at you have good electrical isolation, high enough dielectric breakdown voltage, and good grounding higher voltages can be safer and more

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Dorn Hetzel
The early problems with distance transmission of DC really didn't have anything to do with the inherent properties of DC current, but with the fact that, at the time, there was no good way to convert DC voltages up and down in a similar fashion to the function performed by transformers with AC.

Re: MX Record Theories

2009-05-27 Thread gb10hkzo-nanog
Mark, A EDNS referral from the root servers to the COM servers already exceeded 512 bytes. The world hasn't fallen over. Actually, I was thinking to myself yesterday that the email world is going to be awfully fun when IPv6 sets in and we're all running mail servers with nice long

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2009-05-27 Thread gb10hkzo-nanog
fc00:836b:4917::a180:4179 And yes, before anyone points out, I just realised I posted an abbreviated example. :)

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Dambier
Brian Raaen wrote: As a Holder of two different FCC licenses I can tell you voltage is not what kills, it is amps and location that kill. Actually in certain cases as long at you have good electrical isolation, high enough dielectric breakdown voltage, and good grounding higher voltages can be

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Michael Thomas
Peter Dambier wrote: Apropos, I remember a frenchman who fed his personal computer 288 Volts DC. Gives a whole new meaning to French Fries :) Mike, sorry

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Peter Beckman
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Peter Dambier wrote: Theory says no matter whether the setting of the powersupply is 120 AC ord 240 AC it should work. Try at your own risk. I haven't :) I have. Was in the Netherlands last week, and plugged my laptop power supply into the 240v (or so) feed, without

Savvis quality?

2009-05-27 Thread David Hubbard
Just wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion on Savvis bandwidth/company preferably from a web host perspective. Considering a connection. Thanks, David

Re: Savvis quality?

2009-05-27 Thread Stefan
Have used them since the days of Cable Wireless - almost flawless. -- ***Stefan http://twitter.com/netfortius On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:35 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion on Savvis bandwidth/company preferably from a

Re: Savvis quality?

2009-05-27 Thread Paul Wall
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion on Savvis bandwidth/company preferably from a web host perspective.  Considering a connection. They might be a good provider for reaching Comcast (when

Re: Savvis quality?

2009-05-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
Paul Wall wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David Hubbard dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone can tell me their opinion on Savvis bandwidth/company preferably from a web host perspective. Considering a connection. They might be a good provider for reaching

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread david raistrick
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1036852 Great, you're the latest person to invent a way to present a 5-15R that offers something besides 120VAC. This is neither new nor novel, but it *is* dangerous and risky, and in no way solves the

RE: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Dave Larter
Seems like if the c14 was connected to a 240v PDU the 5-15 would deliver 240v to the equipment, arc/pop tripping the breaker on the PDU as soon as it is connected killing power to everything on that PDU. Or am I missing something, Also hard to believe it is UL since the c14 is rated 125/250v and

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Jay Hennigan
david raistrick wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1036852 Great, you're the latest person to invent a way to present a 5-15R that offers something besides 120VAC. This is neither new nor novel, but it *is* dangerous and risky,

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
david raistrick wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1036852 Great, you're the latest person to invent a way to present a 5-15R that offers something besides 120VAC. This is neither new nor novel, but it *is* dangerous and risky,

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread david raistrick
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: Here's the L-G voltage off the 208v taps from an isolation transformer in a system with no neutral: http://ninjamonkey.us/not_120_volts.jpg Not 120, but 90 give or take. 90 is at the low end of the acceptable range for common household 110/120v

RE: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Dave Larter
The ground is not supposed to carry any current where as the neutral is. If you tried to carry current on the ground of a CGFI protected circuit it would trip. -Original Message- From: david raistrick [mailto:dr...@icantclick.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:30 PM To: Seth Mattinen

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27 mei 2009, at 18:03, Peter Beckman wrote: I haven't seen a PC power supply which is incapable of both 120v/ 60hz and 240v/50hz in a very long time. After this nice voltage discussion, what about hertz? Would it be more efficient for us Europeans to run our stuff at 60 Hz rather than

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Joe Greco
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?edc=1036852 Great, you're the latest person to invent a way to present a 5-15R that offers something besides 120VAC. This is neither new nor novel, but it *is* dangerous and risky, and in no way solves

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread david raistrick
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: ... and move right on to outright misstatements? No, statements based on personal experience. I -fully- expected to get 208v out of them, but in testing didn't. Perhaps the ten I ordered were unique. Or perhaps I don't know how to operate a VOM, or

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Joe Greco
Seems like if the c14 was connected to a 240v PDU the 5-15 would deliver 240v to the equipment, arc/pop tripping the breaker on the PDU as soon as it is connected killing power to everything on that PDU. Well, the latter half of that is making all sorts of assumptions. Your typical 208V 20A

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Joe Greco
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Seth Mattinen wrote: Here's the L-G voltage off the 208v taps from an isolation transformer in a system with no neutral: http://ninjamonkey.us/not_120_volts.jpg Not 120, but 90 give or take. 90 is at the low end of the acceptable range for common household

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 07:25:50PM -0400, david raistrick wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009, Joe Greco wrote: ... and move right on to outright misstatements? No, statements based on personal experience. I -fully- expected to get 208v out of them, but in testing didn't. Note that it is also

Re: Why choose 120 volts?

2009-05-27 Thread Robert Bonomi
Subject: Re: Why choose 120 volts? Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:11:41 +0200 On 27 mei 2009, at 18:03, Peter Beckman wrote: I haven't seen a PC power supply which is incapable of both 120v/ 60hz and 240v/50hz in a very long time. After this nice voltage discussion, what about hertz?