Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
All, There are few if any ISP that will help you with something like this. Law enforcement also does not have the resources to even begin to look at a single DSL line being attacked unless you can show 7+ figures in damage or some type of major threat to national infrastructure. Your options are

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Jeffrey Lyon wrote: All, There are few if any ISP that will help you with something like this. Law enforcement also does not have the resources to even begin to look at a single DSL line being attacked unless you can show 7+ figures in damage or some type of major threat to national

ISP BGP Resources

2009-07-10 Thread Babak Pasdar
Hello, We are in the process of rolling out communities that our customers can use to manipulate their routes. Are there any resources (books, web sites, mailing lists, etc..) that anyone can recommend? Thank you, Babak

Re: ISP BGP Resources

2009-07-10 Thread Jeff Aitken
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 08:17:43AM -0400, Babak Pasdar wrote: Are there any resources (books, web sites, mailing lists, etc..) that anyone can recommend? Richard Steenbergen did a nice preso on this subject a couple years ago:

Re: ISP BGP Resources

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Jackson
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog40/presentations/BGPcommunities.pdf Great presentation. On 7/10/09, Babak Pasdar bpas...@batblue.com wrote: Hello, We are in the process of rolling out communities that our customers can use to manipulate their routes. Are there any resources (books, web

Re: ISP BGP Resources

2009-07-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10 jul 2009, at 14:17, Babak Pasdar wrote: We are in the process of rolling out communities that our customers can use to manipulate their routes. Are there any resources (books, web sites, mailing lists, etc..) that anyone can recommend? Since you ask... My book has a few pages about

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Dan White
Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Have you spoken with your provider? They should be giving you options, like changing your static address, or null routing the attackers upstream, or perhaps blocking port 80 to you, to limit your ingress traffic. For DSL? I've never had that kind

YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Jerry B. Altzman
Hi, Yes, I've tried google, I've tried www.nist.gov, I've tried postmaster/hostmaster/ab...@nist.gov, I've even tried the phone. Could someone give me a pointer to a mail admin at nist.gov? I've been having issues getting mail through to them from one of our servers. Thanks, and have a

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Ken Fischer
Try 301-975-5375 -Ken On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jerry B. Altzmanjba...@altzman.com wrote: Hi, Yes, I've tried google, I've tried www.nist.gov, I've tried postmaster/hostmaster/ab...@nist.gov, I've even tried the phone. Could someone give me a pointer to a mail admin at nist.gov?

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Charles Wyble
I spoke with SBC. 2 hours on the phone (all with US based support which was awesome) came down to e-mail ab...@sbcglobal.net. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Dan White wrote: Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Have you spoken with your provider? They should be giving you options, like changing your static address, or null routing the attackers upstream, or perhaps blocking port 80 to you, to limit your ingress traffic. For DSL?

Re: Point to Point Ethernet

2009-07-10 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com said: Ethernet is cheap because it's everywhere, and built into almost everything. (however, the likes of Cisco and Juniper still charge insane amounts for line cards, be they ethernet, T1, or OC48.) Given the choice of buying a $4k DS3 card

Re: Point to Point Ethernet

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com said: Ethernet is cheap because it's everywhere, and built into almost everything. (however, the likes of Cisco and Juniper still charge insane amounts for line cards, be they ethernet, T1, or OC48.) Given the choice of

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Dan White
Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Have you spoken with your provider? They should be giving you options, like changing your static address, or null routing the attackers upstream, or perhaps blocking port 80 to you, to limit your

RE: Point to Point Ethernet

2009-07-10 Thread Dylan Ebner
It should be noted that this usually isn't recommened. Dropping an ethernet circuit directly into a switch (even if it is laywer 3) can create design issues, esecially later when you need to scale the network. One big issue that is often overlooked is many swithces do not support traffic shaping.

Re: Bandcon

2009-07-10 Thread Paul Wall
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, tbtbran...@gmail.com wrote: My name is Todd Braning, I work on the technical side of the BandCon house.  I am afraid Paul's email is inaccurate. Yo Todd! It's good to hear that you've listened to feedback and made these key operational operational changes. I

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Dan White wrote: Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Seth Mattinen wrote: Dan White wrote: Have you spoken with your provider? They should be giving you options, like changing your static address, or null routing the attackers upstream, or perhaps blocking port 80 to

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread J. Oquendo
Ken Fischer wrote: Try 301-975-5375 -Ken Oy to automation Thank you for calling NIST please listen as our menu options have changed. For Sales press 1 For Customer Support press 2 For IT related issues press 3 (press 3) - rerouted to an APNIC block (outsourced!): Velcome is here to en

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Gadi Evron
J. Oquendo wrote: (press 3) - rerouted to an APNIC block (outsourced!): Velcome is here to en eye esh tee dish is John I'm having trouble with mail.. vell have you tried reboot? vat vershun of vindows are you use? *ducks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpmLrz_lSuE The IT Crowd, one of

Re: ISP BGP Resources

2009-07-10 Thread Paul Wall
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Babak Pasdarbpas...@batblue.com wrote: We are in the process of rolling out communities that our customers can use to manipulate their routes.  Are there any resources (books, web sites, mailing lists, etc..) that anyone can recommend? The Steenbergen

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
Jerry B. Altzman wrote: Hi, Yes, I've tried google, I've tried www.nist.gov, I've tried postmaster/hostmaster/ab...@nist.gov, I've even tried the phone. Could someone give me a pointer to a mail admin at nist.gov? I've been having issues getting mail through to them from one of our servers.

BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3 become legacy?). Lot's

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Mark Radabaugh wrote: I'm looking for new core routers for a small ISP and having a hard time finding something appropriate and reasonably priced. We don't have huge traffic levels (1Gb) and are mostly running Ethernet interfaces to upstreams rather than legacy interfaces (when did OC3

Re: Bandcon

2009-07-10 Thread tb
Hi Paul, As stated in my last post, I am happy to discuss the technical merits of BandCon’s products with any individual.However, I think most here will concur, this is not the proper platform for such discussions. On a personal note, I have been an active NANOG participant for over 10 years

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jerry B. Altzman jba...@altzman.comwrote: Hi, Yes, I've tried google, I've tried www.nist.gov, I've tried postmaster/hostmaster/ab...@nist.gov, I've even tried the phone. Could someone give me a pointer to a mail admin at nist.gov? I've been having issues

ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Jay Nakamura
We are getting an Ethernet DIA circuit from ATT but they insist that they can't BGP peer with 2 routers on our side. The WAN circuit can only have /30 they say. Has anyone been able to successfully talk them in to bending their rule? If so, how? I know this should have been negotiated before

Re: Bandcon

2009-07-10 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 10, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Paul Wall wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, tbtbran...@gmail.com wrote: My name is Todd Braning, I work on the technical side of the BandCon house. I am afraid Paul's email is inaccurate. Yo Todd! It's good to hear that you've listened to feedback and made

Re: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jul 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Jay Nakamura wrote: We are getting an Ethernet DIA circuit from ATT but they insist that they can't BGP peer with 2 routers on our side. The WAN circuit can only have /30 they say. Has anyone been able to successfully talk them in to bending their rule? If so,

Re: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Jay Nakamura wrote: We are getting an Ethernet DIA circuit from ATT but they insist that they can't BGP peer with 2 routers on our side. The WAN circuit can only have /30 they say. Has anyone been able to successfully talk them in to bending their rule? If so, how?

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @, nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Doug Montgomery
I suggested the telephone to another a few weeks ago and that wasn't well received. Let me elaborate. Today is Friday. It's July. It's about 2PM. Probably lunchtime where NIST is. Calling the IT help desk at NIST is likely to get you further faster. NANOG is not really real time. Contact me off

Weekly Routing Table Report

2009-07-10 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith

Re: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Alex H. Ryu
If it is the way ATT have designed their product, there may be no other way around. From ATT's viewpoint, it will add more complexity to troubleshoot. If you pay extra, ATT may have some solution for you. Alex Antonio Querubin wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2009, Jay Nakamura wrote: We are

OEMs for X2 10G LAN PHY optics

2009-07-10 Thread Duane Waddle
Hi, I am searching for opinions on OEMs of X2 form factor 10G LAN PHY optics. We've found that most router/switch vendors mark these particular items up significantly just to provide their own sticker/EEPROM ID. As such, we'd prefer if we can to procure from the OEM (or their reseller). Is

Re: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Warren Bailey
Threaten to twitter about it. Worked for the guy on myth busters.. ;) - Original Message - From: Jay Nakamura zeusda...@gmail.com To: na...@merit.edu na...@merit.edu Sent: Fri Jul 10 09:48:15 2009 Subject: ATT and having two BGP peers We are getting an Ethernet DIA circuit from ATT but

Re: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Bret Clark
Cancel the circuit...I know most of the providers I've worked with have a 90 satisfaction guarantee. Chances are if you cancel the circuit they will mysteriously find a way to work with you. Warren Bailey wrote: Threaten to twitter about it. Worked for the guy on myth busters.. ;) -

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Roy
Martin Hannigan wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jerry B. Altzman jba...@altzman.comwrote: Hi, Yes, I've tried google, I've tried www.nist.gov, I've tried postmaster/hostmaster/ab...@nist.gov, I've even tried the phone. Could someone give me a pointer to a mail admin at nist.gov?

RE: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Carlos Alcantar
Att is hard to deal with I ran into a situation not long ago where I needed to get a t1 cross connect from one cage to another within a building. They consider floor 3 a CO and floor 7 a different CO. both floors share the same wiring frame room like on the 5th floor. Well they wouldn't allow

RE: ATT and having two BGP peers

2009-07-10 Thread Paul Stewart
That is crazy when we turn up new BGP customers, we always put a /29 in place now - for that reason and for others saves a LOT of headaches when some changes are needed down the road...;) Paul -Original Message- From: Bret Clark [mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com] Sent: Friday,

Re: Point to Point Ethernet

2009-07-10 Thread Brian Raaen
Hate to say it, but also some of the cost on the circuits can be blamed on uncle Sam. ATM circuits are currently tariffed that same way are voice circuits. These tariffs are not charged to Ethernet because it is a 'data circuit'. At least that was the case a little while back. --

Re: YES I'VE TRIED MANY VENUES looking for mail admin @ nist.gov

2009-07-10 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:53:58AM -0700, Roy wrote: ... Must be the group that is in training to handle the new health insurance plan ;-) Sorry for the OT, but now you have me confused - what does USA NIST have to do with health insurance??? Standards and Technology is more like weights and

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Jeffrey Lyonjeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: All, There are few if any ISP that will help you with something like this. coughuunet/vzb would/will/cough (for free most times even)

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Would what? Null route the IP? I'm talking about actually filtering the attack. Jeff On Jul 10, 2009 5:10 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Jeffrey Lyonjeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: All, There a... coughuunet/vzb would/will/cough

Re: OEMs for X2 10G LAN PHY optics

2009-07-10 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-10-14:21:49, Duane Waddle duane.wad...@gmail.com wrote: I am searching for opinions on OEMs of X2 form factor 10G LAN PHY optics. We've found that most router/switch vendors mark these particular items up significantly just to provide their own sticker/EEPROM ID. As such, we'd

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jeffrey Lyonjeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: Would what? Null route the IP? I'm talking about actually filtering the attack. as was I. (talking about filtering the attack) On Jul 10, 2009 5:10 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri,

Re: BGP Growth projections

2009-07-10 Thread Adam Rothschild
On 2009-07-10-12:42:24, Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote: [...] What projections are you using regarding the default free zone over the next 5 years when picking new hardware? Geoff Huston, et al provide some useful trending: http://bgp.potaroo.net/index-bgp.html With that said, I've

RE: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Luan Nguyen
Filter like in using the Cisco Guard of sort, to send the good traffic back to the customers? And that service is coughfree through vzb?/cough -- Luan Nguyen Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC. [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net --

Re: OEMs for X2 10G LAN PHY optics

2009-07-10 Thread Tim Jackson
I second Adam's recommendation. Fluxlight has always been awesome to deal with. On 7/10/09, Adam Rothschild asr+na...@latency.net wrote: On 2009-07-10-14:21:49, Duane Waddle duane.wad...@gmail.com wrote: I am searching for opinions on OEMs of X2 form factor 10G LAN PHY optics. We've found

BGP Update Report

2009-07-10 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 02-Jul-09 -to- 09-Jul-09 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS919896848 3.9% 320.7 -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom Corporate Sales Administration

The Cidr Report

2009-07-10 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jul 10 21:11:56 2009 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Luan Nguyenl...@netcraftsmen.net wrote: Filter like in using the Cisco Guard of sort, to send the good traffic back to the customers? And that service is coughfree through vzb?/cough as in: find some way to keep the customer alive and kicking which might be: 1)

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Fact: Filtering TCP/80 attacks is a 3 to 4 figure job, sometimes even 5 figure. Jeff On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Christopher Morrowmorrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Luan Nguyenl...@netcraftsmen.net wrote: Filter like in using the Cisco Guard of sort, to send

Delay BGP peer session

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Is there any way to force a delay on a BGP session from establishing when a link comes up? Say, for example, if a link flaps and fast-external-fallover takes it down we should wait X minutes before trying to bring the session back up. ~Seth

Re: Delay BGP peer session

2009-07-10 Thread Seth Mattinen
Seth Mattinen wrote: Is there any way to force a delay on a BGP session from establishing when a link comes up? Say, for example, if a link flaps and fast-external-fallover takes it down we should wait X minutes before trying to bring the session back up. Dammit, that was supposed to go to

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jeffrey Lyonjeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: I don't know of any internet access services that provide a SLA against DDoS. vzb/mci/uunet used to, there is (I believe) still a 'response' SLA, and there was an SLA for their dos-mitigation service as

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
I don't know of any internet access services that provide a SLA against DDoS. Jeff On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Christopher Morrowmorrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jeffrey Lyonjeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: Fact: Filtering TCP/80 attacks is a 3 to 4

Re: Request for contact and procedure information

2009-07-10 Thread Henry Linneweh
Charles; SBC belongs to ATT which has a ddos mitigation offering http://www.business.att.com/content/productbrochures/PB-DDoS_16651_v1_6-27-08.pdf Verizon also has such an offering under Managed Services Security Solutions Powered by Cybertrust a company they bought