Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:07:47 +0800, Owen DeLong said: Interesting way of thinking about it. I suspect that rather than pay your premium prices, the customers you just degraded in order to charge them more for the service they had will look to your competitors for better service. I suspect

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-07 08:41 +1100), Mark Andrews wrote: Not implementing IPv6 will start to lose them business soon as they won't be able to reach IPv6 only sites. Not quite yet but soon. While all the services that there customers want to reach are available over IPv4 they will be fine. Once

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-07 14:21 +0800), Owen DeLong wrote: While it is more complete than many other countries, there are still rural areas where it is not, and, the relatively high churn rate in competitive markets will actually still lead to a need for increasing address allocations and assignments as

RE: SDSL vs T1 (was Locations with no good Internet)

2010-03-07 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Michael Sokolov [mailto:msoko...@ivan.harhan.org] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: SDSL vs T1 (was Locations with no good Internet) Roy r.engehau...@gmail.com wrote: You missed an option. Just change to another

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Thomas Magill: 1.Why don't providers use /31 addresses for P2P links? This works fine per rfc 3021 but nobody seems to believe it or use it. Are there any major manufacturers out there that do not support it? Not all vendors support it, especially not over Ethernet. 2.

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-07 Thread Andy Davidson
On 06/03/2010 21:32, Shon Elliott wrote: I would love to move to IPv6. However, the IPv6 addressing, I have to say, is really tough to remember and understand for most people. Roll out DNS before you roll out v6 then. basically, you need technical knowledge to even understand how the IP

Sponsoring request Piratenpartij Nederland

2010-03-07 Thread Sven Olaf Kamphuis
Pardon the interruption regarding this somewhat unusual request, but please forward this to your sponsoring/donations/legal/lobbying department: -- Dear Internet Industry representatives: The Pirate Party Netherlands (

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2010-03-07 14:21 +0800), Owen DeLong wrote: While it is more complete than many other countries, there are still rural areas where it is not, and, the relatively high churn rate in competitive markets will actually still lead to a need for

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-07 Thread Mark Newton
On 07/03/2010, at 4:37 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I expect that once we all work out that we can use SP-NAT to turn dynamic IPv4 addresses into shared dynamic IPv4 addresses, we'll have enough spare IPv4 addresses for much of the foreseeable future. Ew... The more I hear people say this,