AS22558 - Routing apparently hijacked space

2010-10-12 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I can't take credit for finding this one. Somebody else on another mailing list I'm on actually found it. AS22558 itself _does not_ appear to be hijacked. Rather this is a relatively new (2009) AS, but the AS itself is very odd indeed. It's contact phone number isn't working, it apparently

Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread iHate SORBS
Network Operators Unite Against SORBS Do you, or have you had problems with SORBS? Tired of being able to do nothing about it? Sick of opening a trouble ticket, only to get delisted weeks later? I am calling on all Network Operators to stand up and stop routing dnsbl.sorbs.net until that

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 05:35:11 -0700 iHate SORBS ihateso...@gmail.com wrote: I am calling on all Network Operators to stand up and stop routing dnsbl.sorbs.net until that time they can commit to making real changes. This doesn't seem like a network issue. You probably want the mailops list.

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 05:35:11 PDT, iHate SORBS said: I am calling on all Network Operators to stand up and stop routing dnsbl.sorbs.net until that time they can commit to making real changes. You *do* realize your beef isn't with SORBS, it's with the mail operators that are using that as part

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Brielle Bruns
How about... Network Operators Against Whiny Mail Operators Who Have Nothing Better To Do With Their Time But Carry Out Personal Vendettas? NOAWMOWHNBTDWTRBCOPV --Original Message-- From: iHate SORBS To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS Sent: Oct 12,

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Andrew Kirch
On 10/12/2010 8:35 AM, iHate SORBS wrote: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS Do you, or have you had problems with SORBS? Tired of being able to do nothing about it? Sick of opening a trouble ticket, only to get delisted weeks later? I am calling on all Network Operators to stand

Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread todd glassey
Mike Leber - I have been waiting for a response from Melissa in your accounting department since she insisted I sign the VISA release in order to refund our money after your company violated the Co-Lo agreement and shut the power down to ROW 4 in Suite 1200 with no warning or Customer Service

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Jeff Harper
http://tinyurl.com/275rhhu - Original Message - From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net To: nanog@nanog.org, m...@he.net, Hurricane Electric LLC melis...@he.net Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:47:02 AM Subject: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Clearly we should all care deeply about this. -J On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jeff Harper jhar...@well.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/275rhhu - Original Message - From: todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net To: nanog@nanog.org, m...@he.net, Hurricane Electric LLC

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
They should shut down your power again for that one. Regards, Jeff On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:17 PM, todd glassey tglas...@earthlink.net wrote: Mike Leber - I have been waiting for a response from Melissa in your accounting department since she insisted I sign the VISA release in order to

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Scott Howard
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:35 AM, iHate SORBS ihateso...@gmail.com wrote: I am calling on all Network Operators to stand up and stop routing dnsbl.sorbs.net until that time they can commit to making real changes. What sort of changes are you suggesting? Suggesting a block unless they make

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Bill Fehring
+1 I don't think anyone is going to take your side after that maneuver, Todd. -Bill On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:22, Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.l...@blacklotus.net wrote: They should shut down your power again for that one. Regards, Jeff

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Kevin Oberman
Pardon me, but did I miss the announcement of Whine on NANOG day? Between this thread and Network Operators Unite Against SORBS, I assume that I must have missed the announcement while I was in the road last week. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O.

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Daniel Seagraves
On Oct 12, 2010, at 10:47 AM, todd glassey wrote: Mike Leber - I have been waiting for a response from Melissa in your accounting department... I have a collection of stuffed bunnies and Hello Kitty paraphernalia, and I still think jokes about farts are funny, but even I'm not childish enough

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Scott Howard wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 5:35 AM, iHate SORBS ihateso...@gmail.com wrote: I am calling on all Network Operators to stand up and stop routing dnsbl.sorbs.net until that time they can commit to making real changes. What sort of changes are

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
Maybe that's why they shut the power off in the first place... :-) I just could not resist, sorry! BTW, who's Leber? He/she doesn't seem to be CCed. I have more mailing lists to suggest where he/she might be found... I could not resist, Take II. cheers, Carlos -- --

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Greg Whynott
its sad that the list apparently has become a sounding board for these 'operators' who think others care about their plights and opinions which have nothing to do with L1/2/3 issues. *i'm taking my ball and going home!* -g On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: Pardon me, but

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Ken Chase
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 09:25:23AM -0700, Scott Howard said: I'm no fan of SORBS, but at the end of the day (ignoring the issues like they had last week) they do what they say they do. Disagree. I have followed all the quasi RFC's Mich* Sullivan quotes to get my blocks unlisted, and after a

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Ryan Harden
I suspect Leber has either a first or last name that starts with na or nan and this poor guy is the victim of auto-complete failure. But this is NANOG, so I expect nothing but jumping to conclusions and overreactions. Thanks for solidifying my expectations! /Ryan On 10/12/2010 11:49 AM, Carlos

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread Bret Clark
On 10/12/2010 12:46 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: I kinda-sortta feel like many others who have posted here. This is a mail thing, not netops. Grow a pair and post under your own name. Is it even on-topic for NANOG? Etc. I even started typing a message to the effect of: even though I

Re: Hey Leber

2010-10-12 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 02:49:37PM -0200, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: Maybe that's why they shut the power off in the first place... :-) BTW, who's Leber? He/she doesn't seem to be CCed. I have more mailing lists to suggest where he/she might be found... Leber is a corruption of

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund

2010-10-12 Thread Joe Greco
They should shut down your power again for that one. It's like asking for them to cycle your power on and off until your stuff starts letting out the magic smoke around event number 100,000. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the

Re: Hey Leber - you think Melissa is going to issue that refund properly or do we need to escalate this into legal actions against HE

2010-10-12 Thread Philip Dorr
Or more likely Leber's first name is Mike. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harden harde...@uiuc.edu wrote: I suspect Leber has either a first or last name that starts with na or nan and this poor guy is the victim of auto-complete failure. But this is NANOG, so I expect nothing but

Re: Network Operators Unite Against SORBS

2010-10-12 Thread John Adams
Really the best thing to do is to just leave SORBS alone. The more idiotic bans they put into place with demands for $50 per IP per incident, the less trustworthy of an RBL they become. Most large network operations will end up ignoring them, or if they do use the data from their RBL, they will

Re: neglected route-servers

2010-10-12 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010, Jon Lewis wrote: Guess what happens when you run a 7206VXR (NPE300) as a route server with 3 full feeds? It took me a minute to figure out why my routes that TWTelecom isn't supposed to see were showing up on route-server.twtelecom.net, but were seemingly randomly

T-Mobile USA - Peering Policy

2010-10-12 Thread Ryan Finnesey
Can someone on the list from T-Mobile USA please contact me. I have tried sending a message to ad...@tmodns.net but the message bounces back and the mailbox for arintechcont...@t-mobile.com is full. I am trying to find out information regarding there peering policy. Cheers Ryan

RE: T-Mobile USA - Peering Policy

2010-10-12 Thread Ryan Finnesey
I looked into Deutsche Telekom and T-System but the AS I have for T-Mobile USA does not seem to be connected to either network which is odd because Deutsche Telekom owns T-Mobile USA but thank you for the recommendation. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: kris foster

Re: AS22558 - Routing apparently hijacked space

2010-10-12 Thread Randy Bush
I can't take credit for finding this one. plonk