RE: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Andrew Alston
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html And people wonder why I have such deep concerns about RPKI how long before something like this happens with prefix certificates... ooops... we revoked a few thousand certs for a few thousand prefix's because they happened to

Re: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Randy Bush
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html And people wonder why I have such deep concerns about RPKI. there are a thousand means. the problem lies with the intent. randy

RE: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Andrew Alston
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html And people wonder why I have such deep concerns about RPKI. there are a thousand means. the problem lies with the intent. Agreed... doesn't mean its a great idea to create an even easier way to screw up... Andrew

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-19 Thread Zed Usser
--- On Sat, 2/19/11, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:   Are you willing to bet that IPv4 address exhaustion will not result in IPv6-only hosts before we run out of meaningful IPv4-only hosts? No, but, I am willing to bet that we will not meaningfully make the situation better for those

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:41 AM, Zed Usser wrote: --- On Sat, 2/19/11, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Are you willing to bet that IPv4 address exhaustion will not result in IPv6-only hosts before we run out of meaningful IPv4-only hosts? No, but, I am willing to bet that we will not

Re: 123.45.67.89

2011-02-19 Thread Robert Lusby
Sorry, Google DNS typo is my bad. It is of course 8.8.8.8 ... On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Robert Lusby nano...@gmail.com wrote: --- Friday miscellaneous --- snip Google DNS is a good example

Re: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Feb 19, 2011, at 3:12 36AM, Randy Bush wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html And people wonder why I have such deep concerns about RPKI. there are a thousand means. the problem lies with the intent. Yes. Remember what happened to Youtube because of (a)

RE: quietly....

2011-02-19 Thread kmedc...@dessus.com
And that has nothing to do with whether a protocol is a peer protocol or not. IP is a peer-to-peer protocol. As SMTP is implemented over IP, it is also a peer-to-peer protocol. In IP, all hosts/nodes are peers. That you may wish that this were not the case and thereby impose completely

Re: Internet Exchange Point(IXP) questions

2011-02-19 Thread Martin Pels
Hi, On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:44:56 -0800 Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: In a message written on Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 04:36:28PM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: leaking the IX prefix to customers, to me, seems like a recipe for much wider/unintended leakage :( Oh, it is. I remember

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-19 Thread Zed Usser
--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:   So, in essence, you are advocating not to interconnect the IPv4-only and IPv6-only domains in any way? I'm advocating not depending on any such interaction working as it's pretty clear that the available solution set is fairly broken.

New transit tests

2011-02-19 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
Hi everyone. This is my first post here in Nanog. First of all, sorry my bad english -- I'm Brazilian. We are activating a new transit connection with 40 Mbps and I need to test it, but here in Brazil all the international transits are weak. I'm looking for a server that I can download/upload

Re: quietly....

2011-02-19 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 2/19/2011 10:11 AM, kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: And that has nothing to do with whether a protocol is a peer protocol or not. IP is a peer-to-peer protocol. As SMTP is implemented over IP, it is also a peer-to-peer protocol. At each layer of an architecture, the question of whether a

Re: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Fred Baker
On Feb 19, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Randy Bush wrote: there are a thousand means. the problem lies with the intent. yes

Re: Graph Utils (Open-Source)

2011-02-19 Thread Rene Skjoldmose
On 2011-02-18 22:03, Max Pierson wrote: Nothing at all :)My problem is with rrdtool. It doesn't scale for this project. I was looking into GNUplot, but wanted to see what else was out there as well. Is scaling of rrdtool still a problem for you with rrdcached?

Re: Graph Utils (Open-Source)

2011-02-19 Thread Max
Even with rrdcached, the I/O from many RRD files being updated often will hammer the I/O subsydtem of most hosts :) We have a host with around 50k RRD data files and rrdcached running, most are updated every 5 mins, some every minute (Nagios + PNP) - with RAID 10 and 10k rpm disks the io wait on

Re: Graph Utils (Open-Source)

2011-02-19 Thread Max
Twitter is releasing a high volume metrics collection store based on cassandra as open source soon - if you will be scaling big, might be worth looking into. On 2/19/11, Max perld...@webwizarddesign.com wrote: Even with rrdcached, the I/O from many RRD files being updated often will hammer the

Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.

2011-02-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 2/19/11 5:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote: I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind

Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.

2011-02-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 2/19/11 5:46 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On 2/19/11 5:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote: I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-19 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Zed Usser wrote: --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: So, in essence, you are advocating not to interconnect the IPv4-only and IPv6-only domains in any way? I'm advocating not depending on any such interaction working as it's pretty clear

Re: quietly....

2011-02-19 Thread Owen DeLong
My understanding of peer-to-peer was that it indicated that all hosts had equal ability to originate or terminate (as in accept, not as in end) sessions. That is, the role of client or server is defined by the choice of the application and/or software on the host and not by the network. IP is a

Re: quietly....

2011-02-19 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 2/19/2011 10:11 AM, kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: And that has nothing to do with whether a protocol is a peer protocol or not. IP is a peer-to-peer protocol. As SMTP is implemented over IP, it is also a peer-to-peer protocol. At each layer of an architecture, the question of whether a

Re: Libya

2011-02-19 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu On Feb 19, 2011, at 3:12 36AM, Randy Bush wrote: http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/17/dhs-erroneously-seiz.html And people wonder why I have such deep concerns about RPKI. there are a thousand means. the problem

Re: New transit tests

2011-02-19 Thread Diogo Montagner
Hi Eduardo, don't expect you will be able to download a single connection at 40Mbps. Your test will be limited by the latency. You can do some tweak in the TCP but it will not improve too much considering the latency between BR and US. Here are two links which can give you some directions:

Re: New transit tests

2011-02-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Diogo Montagner wrote: Your test will be limited by the latency. You can do some tweak in the TCP but it will not improve too much considering the latency between BR and US. With 200ms delay he only needs 1 megabyte of TCP window to reach 40 megabit/s. This is

RE: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.

2011-02-19 Thread Matt Newsom
Those are the two options I am looking at now. Unfortunately both of those require the chassis tax and a decent amount of real estate and power. It looks like that is what I am going to be stuck with though because I can't seem to find anyone that has small 1-2U solution that can do the full

Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.

2011-02-19 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Potentially the Cisco 4900M. I can't find specifically about the GRE support however. My google-fu just finds discussion about v4 to v6 tunnels in software. The chassis has 8 built-in ports and two expansion modules that can each do another 4 TenG ports in a not-oversubscribed configuration.

Re: ipv6 transit over tunneled connection

2011-02-19 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
I have both Level3 and NTT v6 connections and there are no additional charges for the service. I recall NTT had one a few years ago, but I think that's fallen by the wayside. Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206)

RE: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.

2011-02-19 Thread Matt Newsom
The 4900M doesn't do GRE in hardware. -Original Message- From: Michael K. Smith - Adhost [mailto:mksm...@adhost.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:06 AM To: Matt Newsom; NANOG list Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware. Potentially the Cisco 4900M. I can't