Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 21, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 19:08, Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com wrote: Its title, filename, abstract, and introduction all say the problems are specific to NAT444. Which is untrue. I just re-read the filename, abstract and introduction, and

Re: raw bgp traffic

2011-02-22 Thread srg
Hope this helps http://packetlife.net/captures/category/routing-protocols/ Regards On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 17:58 -0800, Javier Godinez wrote: Deal NANOG, Does anyone know where I can get real/raw BGP traffic, maybe in pcap format? I just need maybe a few days of raw data for an inline

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
[ arin cesspool removed from cc: as i can not post there anyway ] There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in operating production

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Benson Schliesser wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 19:08, Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com wrote: Its title, filename, abstract, and introduction all say the problems are specific to NAT444. Which is untrue.

RE: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Dan Wing
-Original Message- From: Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundem...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:17 PM To: Dan Wing Cc: Owen DeLong; Benson Schliesser; NANOG list; ARIN-PPML List Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...) On Mon,

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Chris Wallace
We are recieving full routes from both providers. ---Chris On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Charles Gucker wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Chris Wallace li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: This isn't the first time we have seen this issue with our various providers, how can I prevent

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Hammer
As Max stated, you can set triggers based on thresholds that are monitered via multiple methods in Cisco IOS. That way you could force the route down dynamically. There's always a risk when letting the machines do the thinking but this would help in situations like this. Can't speak for other

RE: Contact for APEWS.org?

2011-02-22 Thread Gavin Pearce
APEWS is braindead in execution, if not in fact. They list about half of all IPv4 space, and one might reasonably state that anyone using them deserves their own self-inflicted SMTP intranet. http://www.dnsbl.com/2007/08/apews-news-and-commentary-roundup.html Andrew The link Andrew sent

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Bret Clark
On 02/22/2011 12:23 PM, Hammer wrote: As Max stated, you can set triggers based on thresholds that are monitered via multiple methods in Cisco IOS. That way you could force the route down dynamically. There's always a risk when letting the machines do the thinking but this would help in

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Hammer
I'm not argueing that at all. But it wasn't relevent to the question at hand. And depending on the scale of your business dumping providers is not something done on a whim. It's not like your fed up with DSL and want to convert to Cable. -Hammer- I was a normal American nerd. -Jack Herer

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Owen DeLong
Assuming that he has provider independent space (why run full BGP feeds if you are not multihomed?), then, actually it's about on par and less disruptive in general. Add new provider, wait a day or two, then disconnect old provider. If he's using provider assigned space, then, the big hurdle is

admin-c/tech-c deny responsibility/ownership of netblock

2011-02-22 Thread goemon
Is there a process to revoke netblocks from entities which deny ownership? http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?searchtext=77.223.129.43 The admin-c, tech-c deny any responsibility for this netblock. -Dan

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 22, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Hammer wrote: I agree. But swapping providers is not the default answer in some environments. I work in an enterprise with multiple GE circuits from multiple providers to the Internet. The lead time on calling up a different carrier and saying I need a

Re: admin-c/tech-c deny responsibility/ownership of netblock

2011-02-22 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 22 feb 2011, at 20:44, goe...@anime.net wrote: The admin-c, tech-c deny any responsibility for this netblock. Have you talked to RIPE?

[OT] Internet connectivity options in Afghanistan?

2011-02-22 Thread Janet Sullivan
I'm looking for cheap/slow internet connectivity options in Kabul, Jalalabad, and Herat. The connections will be used by AFCECO orphanages, so speed isn't as much of an issue as cost. I'm guessing that satellite might be the only game in town, but if any of you fine folks know of

Re: BGP Failover Question

2011-02-22 Thread Hammer
Uncle! -Hammer- I was a normal American nerd. -Jack Herer On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Feb 22, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Hammer wrote: I agree. But swapping providers is not the default answer in some environments. I work in an enterprise with

Re: [OT] Internet connectivity options in Afghanistan?

2011-02-22 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Janet Sullivan netg...@bgp4.net wrote: I'm looking for cheap/slow internet connectivity options in Kabul, Jalalabad, and Herat.  The connections will be used by AFCECO orphanages, so speed isn't as much of an issue as cost.  I'm guessing that satellite might be

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Randy Bush wrote: There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in operating production networks. excuse me!

Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread David Hubbard
I was wondering if anyone has a howto floating around on the step by step setup of having an internal bgp peer for sending quick updates to border routers to null route sources of undesirable traffic? I've seen it discussed on nanog from time to time, typically suggesting using Zebra, but could

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
On 2011-02-22 22:42, David Hubbard wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a howto floating around on the step by step setup of having an internal bgp peer for sending quick updates to border routers to null route sources of undesirable traffic? I've seen it discussed on nanog from time to time,

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Jack Carrozzo
Maybe I read your question wrong, but null-routing things at your border is often not very useful if the traffic is flooding your transit links. Most transits publish their community lists - you just need to tag the prefix you want to blackhole with the right community. See example from HE:

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:29:23 CST, Benson Schliesser said: There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in operating production networks. most

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Jared Mauch
Also: http://docs.as701.net/tmp/CustomerBlackhole.txt Remember to set eBGP multihop on sessions for the next-hop rewrite capability :) - Jared On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: On 2011-02-22 22:42, David Hubbard wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a howto floating around

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
2011/2/22 Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net: Also: http://docs.as701.net/tmp/CustomerBlackhole.txt Remember to set eBGP multihop on sessions for the next-hop rewrite capability :) oh hey, I was looking for that! :) (I'll try to re-setup the www.secsup.org links tonight) ... this is a 'how

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:54 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:29:23 CST, Benson Schliesser said: There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced

RE: SmartNet Alternatives

2011-02-22 Thread Richey
I've used them as well and they have been pretty good with gear that's common place. Just be careful if you get off the beaten path and are using gear like an IAD-2431-16FXS. They can help you with the hardware side on that kind of stuff but not so much with the software. Richey

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Tony Hain wrote: Seriously, some people will not move until the path they are on is already burning, which is why they did nothing over the last 5 years despite knowing that the IANA pool was exhausting much faster than they had wanted to believe. It took getting

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:42 AM, David Hubbard wrote: I've seen it discussed on nanog from time to time, typically suggesting using Zebra, but could not search up a link on a step by step. https://files.me.com/roland.dobbins/dweagy

Internet Issues in Europe Tonight?

2011-02-22 Thread Ryan Gelobter
Does anyone have some detailed information about the internet issues going on in Sweden and other parts of Europe right now? I've read some reports about a large Telia outage in Sweden indicating a fault somewhere in Frankfurt or London as the cause.

Re: Internet Issues in Europe Tonight?

2011-02-22 Thread Tim Kleefass
On 02/23/2011 12:59 AM, Ryan Gelobter wrote: Does anyone have some detailed information about the internet issues going on in Sweden and other parts of Europe right now? I've read some reports about a large Telia outage in Sweden indicating a fault somewhere in Frankfurt or London as the

Re: Internet Issues in Europe Tonight?

2011-02-22 Thread Arnold Nipper
on 23.02.2011 00:59 Ryan Gelobter wrote: Does anyone have some detailed information about the internet issues going on in Sweden and other parts of Europe right now? I've read some reports about a large Telia outage in Sweden indicating a fault somewhere in Frankfurt or London as the cause.

Re: Internet Issues in Europe Tonight?

2011-02-22 Thread Raphael Maunier
Confirmed here. It's solved with a temporary solution. The ticket is still open with in Telia. -- Raphaël Maunier NEO TELECOMS CTO / Responsable Ingénierie AS8218 On Feb 23, 2011, at 1:15 AM, Arnold Nipper wrote: on 23.02.2011 00:59 Ryan Gelobter wrote: Does anyone have some detailed

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in operating production networks. excuse me! Hi, Randy. I didn't mean to deny you exist;

Re: Howto for BGP black holing/null routing

2011-02-22 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, David Hubbard wrote: I was wondering if anyone has a howto floating around on the step by step setup of having an internal bgp peer for sending quick updates to border routers to null route sources of undesirable traffic? I've seen it discussed on nanog from time to time,

Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

2011-02-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Randy Bush wrote: There seems to be a position, taken by others on these lists, that IPv6 is the only address family that matters. Interestingly, this position seems to be most pronounced from people not involved in operating production networks. excuse me!

atdn.net issues

2011-02-22 Thread Randy Carpenter
Anyone know who to contact for issues with atdn.net? Their website is not exactly a well of information. All connections from my network to anything at atdn (AOL, etc.) are dying at atdn's edge. Traceroutes go out through xo.net. I have verified that both of my upstream providers can get

Re: atdn.net issues

2011-02-22 Thread Ben Carleton
On 2/22/2011 11:39 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: Anyone know who to contact for issues with atdn.net? Their website is not exactly a well of information. All connections from my network to anything at atdn (AOL, etc.) are dying at atdn's edge. Traceroutes go out through xo.net. I have

Re: Christchurch New Zealand

2011-02-22 Thread Joe Hamelin
The other CERT: Community Emergency Response Team. Kind of off-topic for NANOG but I know that most of us are concerned with disaster recovery. This is the first local line. For US folks, there should be a CERT for you city or county, if not ask why. For Canadians, check with PEP. The CERT