Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:52:54PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: No SNMP stats for virtual vlan interfaces and when asking Brocade about it, you get told it is too hard to program. You gotta be kiddin me Yeah, that is something that has been bugging me. No stats on ve interfaces.

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Ulf Zimmermann
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 08:30:17AM +0100, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: Or how they do vlan configurations. I have complained about that, too. With Cisco you add vlans to ports, with Brocade you add ports to vlans. Subtle difference. You can't look at the config and very easily see which

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-10 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Chris Woodfield rek...@semihuman.com wrote: I think this is the point where I get a shovel, a bullwhip and head over to the horse graveyard that is CAM optimization... The classic problem with any sort of FIB optimization is that you can't optimize every figure

Loading MIB Definitions - Help me get out of SNMP Hell!

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Renwick
Hello All, Apologize for my lameness in advance. I have spent some serious time researching this topic and have decided to reach out to the forums as the two of the smartest people I know have hit the same wall in the past. Bottom line is I do not understand how to add (?compile?) MIB(s) into

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
If you configure a /64, you are much more likely to have guaranteed forwarding speed to that destination, and guaranteed number of routes in FIB. What you don't have is a guarantee that ARP/NDP will work correctly on the access router. If you choose to configure a /120, you may lose one or

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become unreachable. I also do

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:52:37AM -0800, George Bonser wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries. That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion

RE: Loading MIB Definitions - Help me get out of SNMP Hell!

2011-03-10 Thread Bulger, Tim
I suggest grabbing the whole lot from ftp://ftp.cisco.com/pub/mibs/v2/v2.tar.gz ... I generally extract that to a directory and move files to my MIB directory individually. This has the benefit of preventing Net-SNMP from ripping through megabytes of garbage related to x.25 and the like. Your

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Mike Walter
Is anyone staying away from certain address ranges in /127s? I have seen where they say not to use the all zeros or end addresses from 1 - 127. Thoughts on this? -Mike -Original Message- From: Justin M. Streiner [mailto:strei...@cluebyfour.org] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:36

Re: Loading MIB Definitions - Help me get out of SNMP Hell!

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Renwick
Problem solved. NANOG is awesome! Thanks much to all who assisted. It is actually quite easy to load the MIB definitions to you Ubuntu machine. I just downloaded the complete Cisco MIB tree to make life easier ftp://ftp.cisco.com/pub/mibs/v2;. Downloaded the v2.tar.gz file. Unpacked the

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-10 Thread Blake Hudson
My concern is trying to find a router (within our budget) that has room for growth in the IPv6 routing space. When compared to the live table sizes that the CIDR report and routeviews show, some can't handle current routing tables, let alone years of growth. BGP tweaks may keep us going

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links.

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Pekka Savola
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, George Bonser wrote: And this is better than just not trying to implement IPv6 stateless auto-configuration on ptp links in the first place how exactly? I don't use autoconfiguration. Static configured IPs, static neighbor entries for these types of links. Man. It must

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
Man. It must be annoying to change all those static neighbor entries when the interfaces fail, links must be migrated to another line cards or you replace routers. -- Yeah, that happens about once every five years or so and in my particular case there aren't a lot of these point to point

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table size considerations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Blake Hudson wrote: My concern is trying to find a router (within our budget) that has room for growth in the IPv6 routing space. When compared to the live table sizes that the CIDR report and routeviews show, some can't handle current routing tables, let

Any ATT IP Transit sales folks listening?

2011-03-10 Thread Jason Lixfeld
I'm looking for an ATT IP Transit sales contact. Email links on the website don't seem to work and I was on hold for 30 minutes with an auto-attendant when I tried to call. I'm looking for transit on a 1Gbps access out of TelX @ 60 Hudson. Thanks in advance.

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route table sizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: What I have done on point to points and small subnets between routers is to simply make static neighbor entries.  That eliminates any neighbor table exhaustion causing the desired neighbors to become unreachable.  I also

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route tablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
As Richard points out, there is *no* reason to configure /64s on point-to-point links, and there are obvious disadvantages. The RFC wavers are downright stupid to suggest otherwise. As for IXP LANs, I predict that one of two things will happen: either one or more major IXPs will be

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route tablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:51 AM, George Bonser wrote: If you are a content provider, it doesn't make any difference if they take down the links between your routers or if they take down the link that your content farm is on. Of course, it does - you may have many content farms/instances,

RE: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 routetablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
= Of course, it does - you may have many content farms/instances, and taking down point-to-point links can DoS your entire set of farms/instances, whereas an attack against a given endpoint access network doesn't necessarily mean that your other properties/networks/services are being

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 routetablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:34 AM, George Bonser wrote: And I say taking down 10 such farms is no bigger problem than taking down 10 /64 backbone links. Yes, but the difference is in routine attacker behavior. And of course, iACLs should be protecting p2p links and loopbacks, irrespective of

so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Tomoya Yoshida
Japan had so big terrible earthquake -- Tomoya Yoshida yosh...@nttv6.jp

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Seiichi Kawamura
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (2011/03/11 15:19), Tomoya Yoshida wrote: Japan had so big terrible earthquake Still shaking here in Tokyo. We're seeing major traffic loss. Seiichi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32)

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Paul Ferguson
7.9 magnitude: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iOJwLEwcIwB93yjCubUJpuu4UZKA?docId=6212195 I received word a few minutes ago from a colleague in out Tokyo (Shinjiku) office -- they could see the smoke of building fires in the distance. - ferg On Thu, Mar 10, 2011

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Joseph Prasad
here is the Live Video feed. a Tsunami has hit also. http://www.livestation.com/channels/3-al-jazeera-english-english On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Seiichi Kawamura kawamu...@mesh.ad.jpwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (2011/03/11 15:19), Tomoya Yoshida wrote: Japan

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Joseph Prasad wrote: here is the Live Video feed. a Tsunami has hit also. http://www.livestation.com/channels/3-al-jazeera-english-english USGS is saying 8.8 magnitude now: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.php -- Mikael Abrahamsson

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Randy Bush
Japan had so big terrible earthquake still shaking in jimbocho

RE: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread George Bonser
Upgraded to M8.8 24km deep. This is a big one. -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:37 PM To: Tomoya Yoshida Cc: pac...@pacnog.org; nanog@nanog.org; routing...@ripe.net; ap...@apops.net; af...@afnog.org; sa...@sanog.org

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Dorian Kim
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:39:31PM -0800, George Bonser wrote: Upgraded to M8.8 24km deep. This is a big one. M8.8 at 05:46:23 UTC and M6.4 at 06:06:11 UTC so far according to USGS. -dorian

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Randy Bush
manichi daily still says 7.7. but english language news is not very current. maz-san reports at least one fiber break randy, cleaning up a lot of spilled coffee

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Yuki Nakae
Kayabacho has also shaken heavily twice. The epicenter is off shore Miyagi pref. 2011/3/11 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com manichi daily still says 7.7. but english language news is not very current. maz-san reports at least one fiber break randy, cleaning up a lot of spilled coffee

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route tablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:51 AM, George Bonser wrote: If you are a content provider, it doesn't make any difference if they take down the links between your routers or if they take down the link that your content farm is on. Of

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Joseph Prasad
BBC Feed; http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4d713653b2e98 On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Yuki Nakae never.quit...@gmail.comwrote: Kayabacho has also shaken heavily twice. The epicenter is off shore Miyagi pref. 2011/3/11 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com manichi daily still says

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Randy Bush
http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4d713653b2e98 bad report. murdoch style exaggeration.

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Tomoya Yoshida yosh...@nttv6.jp wrote: Japan had so big terrible earthquake How big? I see reports of Tokyo, was Kyoto affected?

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Khurram Khan
bbc reports 8.8 magnitude with a tsunami. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598 On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Bryan Irvine sparcta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Tomoya Yoshida yosh...@nttv6.jp wrote: Japan had so big terrible earthquake How big?  

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
USGS now says magnitude 8.9. And there seem to have been three aftershocks so far, two in the 7.x range... Thanks, Donald On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Khurram Khan brokenf...@gmail.com wrote: bbc reports 8.8 magnitude with a tsunami. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Dorian Kim
I think it's probably more useful for people to follow this instead of media reports: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_big.php -dorian

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route tablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Mar 11, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: If you want to be truly anal about it, you can also block packets to non-existent addresses on the PtoP links. Sure, I advocate iACLs to block traffic to p2p links and loopbacks. Still, it's best not to turn routers into sinkholes in the

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Tomoya Yoshida
According to the Japan Meteorological Agency, it's 8.4 -05:46 UTC M8.4 in Miyagi Pref. not M8.8 -06:15 UTC M7.4 in Ibaragi Pref. tomoya On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:13:42 -0700 Khurram Khan brokenf...@gmail.com wrote: |bbc reports 8.8 magnitude with a tsunami. |

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
Upgraded to 8.8 a little while ago. Owen On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: 7.9 magnitude: http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iOJwLEwcIwB93yjCubUJpuu4UZKA?docId=6212195 I received word a few minutes ago from a colleague in out Tokyo (Shinjiku)

Re: [routing-wg] Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Tomoya Yoshida
According to the Japan Meteorological Agency -05:46 UTC M7.9 in Miyagi Pref. not M8.8 -06:15 UTC M7.4 in Ibaragi Pref. still aftershocks often... We see 20% - 30% traffic change in JPNAP Tokyo I http://www.jpnap.net/english/jpnap-tokyo-i/traffic.html JPIX also

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Randy Bush wrote: manichi daily still says 7.7. but english language news is not very current. maz-san reports at least one fiber break randy, cleaning up a lot of spilled coffee It started a few days earlier, I was keeping an eye on it:

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Randy Bush
USGS now says magnitude 8.9. And there seem to have been three aftershocks so far, two in the 7.x range... shaking pretty continuous still

Re: [apops] so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Jeroen van Aart wrote: It started a few days earlier, I was keeping an eye on it: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb0001r57.php For a complete list so far: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/145_40_eqs.php Did you feel it?

Re: so big earthquake in JP

2011-03-10 Thread Randy Bush
How big? I see reports of Tokyo, was Kyoto affected? it's up north at sendia which is taking the brunt

Re: Internet Edge Router replacement - IPv6 route tablesizeconsiderations

2011-03-10 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:22 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Mar 11, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: If you want to be truly anal about it, you can also block packets to non-existent addresses on the PtoP links. Sure, I advocate iACLs to block traffic to p2p links and loopbacks.