Re: ASR9K xml agent vs netconf

2014-08-02 Thread Randy Bush
netconf would come with the appeal of using a standard and any libraries I write for it may be usable with other platforms. well, how long do you plan to be around and 9k-only? randy

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, August 01, 2014 04:44:29 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Even when mandated to unbundle at a reasonable cost, often other games are played (trouble ticket for service billed by lines provider resolved in a day, trouble ticket for service on unbundled element resolved in 14 days, etc.).

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, August 01, 2014 06:34:00 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Today, somewhere around $6,000 or more depending on provider, location, etc. That’s with IP transit included. With IP Transit included, perhaps. But 10Gbps ports are not expensive these days. Depends on whether you selling 10Gbps

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, August 01, 2014 07:17:24 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: So we'll assume we could get 4 for 22k to make the arithmetic easy, and that means if we can put 44 people on that, that the MRC cost is 500 dollars a month for a gigabit. That is clearly not consumer pricing. Was consumer pricing

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Vlade Ristevski
I might be misunderstanding this, but are you guys saying 10G Internet access to a tier 1 costs around $6,000 a month? I ask because I run a network for a small college and the best price I could get on 1Gbps Internet is about $5,500 a month with the fiber loop included which itself costs

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
On Aug 2, 2014, at 8:10 AM, Vlade Ristevski vrist...@ramapo.edu wrote: I might be misunderstanding this, but are you guys saying 10G Internet access to a tier 1 costs around $6,000 a month? I ask because I run a network for a small college and the best price I could get on 1Gbps Internet is

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
That's why I want legislation requiring the operator to be one or the other and not both. Most L1 gets built with tax dollars or subsidies anyway. Owen On Aug 2, 2014, at 0:34, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On Friday, August 01, 2014 04:44:29 PM Owen DeLong wrote: Even when

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
Such a case is unlikely. On Aug 1, 2014, at 13:32, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: I can never see a case where letting them play at Layer 3 or above helps. That’s bad news, stay away. But I think some well crafted L2 services could actually _expand_ consumer choice. I mean

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
Municipalities can be different. It’s possible to write into law that they can offer L1 and L2 services, but never anything higher. There’s also a built in disincentive to risk tax dollars more speculative, but possibly more profitable ventures. Sure, a muni could offer that and be

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
I don't pretend to be the original person with this idea. But I would very much like to see it implemented. On Aug 1, 2014, at 13:24, Joly MacFie j...@punkcast.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: MHO, experience has taught us that the lines

Re: Comcast IPv6 Milestone

2014-08-02 Thread Brzozowski, John
Absolutely. We are close and are trying to finalize the firmware for a subset of our commercial DOCSIS devices. Stay tuned for news and updates on this front. Be sure to check www.comcast6.net, I will post updates here. John -Original Message- From: Jim Burwell j...@jsbc.cc Date:

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
I thought JRA was asking about the upstream cost. Owen On Aug 2, 2014, at 0:43, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On Friday, August 01, 2014 07:17:24 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: So we'll assume we could get 4 for 22k to make the arithmetic easy, and that means if we can put 44 people

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Vlade Ristevski
Thanks , makes sense. I was looking on peeringdb.com for some locations nearby but they're all 20+ miles . However, there is a Telx a block from my house that I walk past everyday. Maybe a I can string along a 10G connection to my basement office :) On 8/2/2014 9:47 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Scott Helms
Happens all the time, which is why I asked Leo about that scenario. There are large swarths of the US and even more in Canada where that's the norm. On Aug 2, 2014 1:29 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Such a case is unlikely. On Aug 1, 2014, at 13:32, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Leo Bicknell
There are plenty of cities with zero ISP's interested in serving them today, I can't argue that point. However I believe the single largest reason why that is true is that the ISP today has to bear the capital cost of building out the physical plant to serve the customers. 15-20 year ROI's

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Date: Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 07:40:50AM +0200 Quoting Mark Tinka (mark.ti...@seacom.mu): On Thursday, July 31, 2014 02:01:28 PM Måns Nilsson wrote: It is better, both for the customer and the provider. If the provider is able to deliver 1Gbps to every

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Owen DeLong
Is it, or is it the norm because it is the result of a lack of facilities in those locations? Show me even one area where there is a rich fiber infrastructure available on an equal footing to multiple competitors to provide L3 services and there are no L3 providers offering service to those

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Corey Touchet
But in the cases of small rural communities it¹s perfectly reasonable to just setup wifi to cover the town and backhaul a DS3 back to a more connected location. There¹s plenty of small wireless companies out there trying to serve these folks. On 8/2/14, 3:15 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

2014-08-02 Thread Mark Tinka
On Sunday, August 03, 2014 01:31:17 AM Måns Nilsson wrote: Oh, yes, there is. Multicast? IPv6? Both CAN be done, but probably won't. I'm talking about the opportunities large bandwidth presents, non-technical issues aside. Certainly, IPv6 and Multicast have a place on a 1Gbps link into the

Re: The Cidr Report

2014-08-02 Thread keith kouzmanoff
link didn't work for me, I think http://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/ is the proper link On 8/1/2014 5:00 PM, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote: This report has been generated at Fri Aug 1 21:13:59 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on