Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mike Lyon
For the IoT/M2M stuff that doesn’t require huge amounts of data, there is a Silicon Valley startup that is deploying cube sats for just that. Swarm Technologies https://www.swarm.space/ -Mike > On Jul 8, 2020, at 19:49, Denys Fedoryshchenko > wrote: > > On 2020-07-08 10:05, Mark Tinka

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2020-07-08 10:05, Mark Tinka wrote: On 7/Jul/20 21:58, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Watching the growth of terrestrial fiber (and PTP microwave) networks going inland from the west and east African coasts has been interesting. There's a big old C-band earth station on the hill above Freetown, Sierra

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
(re-adding Adam's text that didn't get quoted, but matters) On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:49:56 +0300, Saku Ytti said: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean > wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > > > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have -

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Jun 2020

2020-07-08 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

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Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jul/20 15:21, Paul Nash wrote: > When we started TICSA (Internet Africa/Verizon/whatever), we went with a 9600 > bps satellite link to New Jersey specifically because the SAT-2 fibre had > just been installed and traffic was being moved off satellite. The satellite > folk were getting

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Paul Nash
When we started TICSA (Internet Africa/Verizon/whatever), we went with a 9600 bps satellite link to New Jersey specifically because the SAT-2 fibre had just been installed and traffic was being moved off satellite. The satellite folk were getting *very* nervous, and gave us a heavily

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
I do run the 7280SR2-48YC6, but I don't do VPLS or pseudowires on them right now so I can't help directly with that. Based on my experience with Arista so far, it'll be perfectly-well documented, just for a different platform, and in a blog post instead of in the user manual. :-( (Note to

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 14:56, Adam Thompson wrote: > If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not > _de facto_ as I said. I suspect the de-facto domain you think of has modest population. As jitter would only matter in case where protocol measures delay and

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not _de facto_ as I said. Yes, if you have *guaranteed* that TCP sessions hash uniquely to a single link in your network, you might be able to successfully tunnel LACP (or EtherChannel, or any other L1 link-bonding

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jul/20 12:42, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP stream

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP > has (de facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be > getting TCP resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Errr sorry, but at the

Re: CGNAT Opensource with support to BPA, EIM/EIF, UPnP-PCP

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 19:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: >   > > There was, long time ago, something developed by ISC, but I think > never completed and not updated … > >   > > 464XLAT is always a solution and becomes much cheaper, than CGN from > vendors, even if you need to replace the CPEs.

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 23:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de > facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP > resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Hmmh - this is odd. We once provided a

Re: 60ms cross continent

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 21:58, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > Watching the growth of terrestrial fiber (and PTP microwave) networks > going inland from the west and east African coasts has been > interesting. There's a big old C-band earth station on the hill above > Freetown, Sierra Leone that was previously the