On 1/2/21 22:40, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Aliens always invade New York, so I'm safe up here :)
I thought that was Roswell :-).
Mark.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:03 PM Keith Medcalf wrote:
> >I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
> >who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
> >receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
> >live with someone like that, so I know it's a
- Original Message -
> From: "Keith Medcalf"
>>I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
>>who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
>>receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
>>live with someone like that, so I know it's a
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:00:22 -0700, "Keith Medcalf" said:
> This is the same thing I tell shithead politicians and pollsters that cause
> my phone to ring. If you wish to speak with me then you can pay to install
> your own communications equipment at your own expense.
Um... Keith? Pretty much
On 1/3/21 5:00 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero portion
of the
>I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
>who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
>receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
>live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero portion
>of the population.
I pay for my Internet
On 1/3/21 2:27 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be less
than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing
On 1/3/21 2:23 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
As for D'oH, sure; let's centralize the attack surface.
The only reason I
On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
> I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
> achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be
> less than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing the limit. If they get back
> to me, I'll
- Original Message -
> From: "Michael Thomas"
>> Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
>> connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
>>
>> As for D'oH, sure; let's centralize the attack surface.
> The only reason I bring up DoH is because now
At this point I would assume that nearly every device is persisting at
least one long lived TCP connection. Whether it's for telemetry or
command and control, everything these days seems to have this
capability. As an example, I can hit a button in the Nintendo Switch
parent app on my phone
On 1/3/21 1:50 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
I was thinking more in the original context of this thread w.r.t.
potential distribution of emergency alerts. That could, if
semi-centralized, easily result in 100s of million connections to juggle
across a
On 1/3/21 1:22 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Even with a participating application, quiescing in-memory state to something
less than,
say, 1KB is probably hard but might be doable with a participating TLS library.
If so, a
million quiescent connections could conceivably be stashed in a coupla GB
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
> I was thinking more in the original context of this thread w.r.t.
> potential distribution of emergency alerts. That could, if
> semi-centralized, easily result in 100s of million connections to juggle
> across a single service just for the USA.
- Original Message -
> From: "Brandon Martin"
> The nice thing is that such emergency alerts don't require
> confidentiality and can relatively easily bear in-band,
> application-level authentication (in fact, that seems preferable to only
> using session-level authentication). That
On 1/3/21 4:22 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Creating quiescent sockets has certainly been discussed in the context of RSS
where you
might want to server-notify a large number of long-held client connections very
infrequently.
While a kernel could quiesce a TCP socket down to maybe 100 bytes or so
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
> On 1/3/21 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> > Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
> > connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
>
> Out of curiosity, has anyone investigated if it's possible to hold open
>
On 1/3/21 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
Out of curiosity, has anyone investigated if it's possible to hold open
a low-traffic, long-lived TCP session without actually
On 1/3/21 12:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
To: nanog@nanog.org
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Yup; it's messy, and in many many different ways. Won't be a snapshot
rollout. Not a bad idea, though, if implemented correctly;
- Original Message -
> From: "Michael Thomas"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>> Yup; it's messy, and in many many different ways. Won't be a snapshot
>> rollout. Not a bad idea, though, if implemented correctly; time to dig
>> out my notes, I guess.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:02 PM Rich Kulawiec wrote:
[snip]
> streaming company need to be able to authenticate the alerts from
> all those different agencies. Those agencies also need to secure [...]
The agencies would already submit their alerts through IPAWS gateways
managed by FEMA;
Once upon a time, Rich Kulawiec said:
> And then there's another problem, which is that once all those different
> agencies have this facility, they're going to (ab)use it as they see fit.
A year or two ago, Alabama issued a state-wide "blue alert" when a
police officer was shot. So my
On 1/3/21 10:01 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 03:26:07AM -0500, Valdis Kl??tnieks wrote:
Meanwhile, this causes yet another problem - if Hulu has to be able to
know what alerts should be piped down to my device, this now means that
every single police and public safety
On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 03:26:07AM -0500, Valdis Kl??tnieks wrote:
> Meanwhile, this causes yet another problem - if Hulu has to be able to
> know what alerts should be piped down to my device, this now means that
> every single police and public safety agency has to be able to send the
> alerts
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
including foreign locations, generations of emergency alert
packets *MUST* be responsibility of *LOCAL* ISPs.
A problem is that home routers may filter the broadcast
packets from ISPs, but the routers may be upgraded or
some device to snoop the
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 09:26:07 +, Mark Foster said:'
> Yeah my family got a PS4 for Christmas. But we've had an Xbox One for
> the last few years. There are quite a few streaming apps, true. But a
> lot fewer of those than worldwide telcos, or jurisdictions, or emergency
> services.
You
On 1/2/21 10:15 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Let's just go back to air-raid sirens.
I'm old enough to remember when they were tested every day at noon,
which also told you it was noon (lunch!)
We'd say heaven help us if The Enemy attacked at noon.
They still do in San Francisco garbled
On 1/3/21 12:26 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a channel
within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
customer' (emergency popup notification that appears
On 2021-01-03 08:26, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a
channel
within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
customer' (emergency popup notification that appears
Mark Foster wrote:
On 3/01/2021 2:41 am, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Sean Donelan wrote:
the Commission shall complete an
inquiry to examine the feasibility of updating the Emergency
Alert System to enable or improve alerts to consumers provided
through the internet, including through streaming
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
> In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a channel
> within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
> customer' (emergency popup notification that appears when their app is
> open or their
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