Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Javier J
you too, why are you emailing me? I didn't ask anyone to contact me off list. On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 8:53 PM Sam Silvester wrote: > Archives are browsable by anybody. How do you expect to keep political > types out of the discussion? > > On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 11:36 am, Javier J > wrote: >

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Javier J
Why are you emailing me? On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P wrote: > SEE!?! > > With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email > to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!" > > Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword). > > And

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

2021-01-18 Thread Sean Donelan
In 2016, U.N. Human Rights Council, resolution A/HRC/RES/32/13: "condemns unequivocally measures to intentionally prevent or disrupt access to or dissemination of information online in violation of international human rights law and calls on all States to refrain from and cease such measures".

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Javier J
I couldn't agree more. If I want to talk politics, I will go to other places. I use this mailing list to talk about things relevant to technology and operation of networks in North American and other places. - Javier On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 4:19 PM Mel Beckman wrote: > javier, > > I concur.

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

2021-01-18 Thread surfer
On 1/18/21 6:24 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: This is not the longest internet shutdown.  Ethiopia shutdown internet access for nearly two months in 2020.  Belerus had several full and partial internet shutdowns over several months in 2020. - Just for fun...this

Re: Issues with NANOG mailing list operations and subscriptions

2021-01-18 Thread Job Snijders
Hi Sean, Will, group, On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 03:01:22PM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 1:37 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > Some people think its funny to ghost subscribe email addresses, and > > the NANOG mailing list auomation doesn't catch them in the verification > >

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread symack
I find this comment insulting. On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:40 PM Lorell Hathcock wrote: > A-woman! > > Sincerely, > > Lorell Hathcock > > On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J wrote: > >  > I agree 100%. > > I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't > appreciate

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Mel Beckman
javier, I concur. What we don’t need on Nanog is outside parties deciding to “reign in” our discussions on political grounds! -mel beckman On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Javier J wrote:  I agree 100%. I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Lorell Hathcock
A-woman! Sincerely, Lorell Hathcock > On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J wrote: > >  > I agree 100%. > > I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't > appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list > because of someone's

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Javier J
I agree 100%. I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior. - Javier On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis wrote: > There's a world of difference between

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Jon Lewis
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Paul Timmins
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/ On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:20 AM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. > wrote: > And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone who > is not on the list? > > If you are posting to NANOG under the impression that

Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:20 AM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: > And either way, what is the policy about forwarding list email to someone > who is not on the list? > If you are posting to NANOG under the impression that your email will only be seen by network engineers and that it will never

Re: what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Job Snijders
Dear all, On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 11:17:06AM -0700, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: > Either Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' office is on the NANOG list or > someone is forwarding NANOG email to AOC's press office (in which case > either spoofed as the original sender or AOC's office sends an ack to >

Re: Parler

2021-01-18 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Googling "Rob Monster Epik" will tell you just about everything you need to know about that organization. On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:42 PM Matt Corallo wrote: > In case anyone thought Amazon was being particularly *careful* around > their enforcement of Parler's ban...this is from > today on

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?

2021-01-18 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Either Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' office is on the NANOG list or someone is forwarding NANOG email to AOC's press office (in which case either spoofed as the original sender or AOC's office sends an ack to every email address it can find)..as I received this auto-ack in response to my email to

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

2021-01-18 Thread Ben Cannon
How much longer before this is declared a crime against humanity? I give it 10 yrs Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” FCC License KJ6FJJ Sent from my

Re: Uganda Communications Commission shutdown order

2021-01-18 Thread Sean Donelan
About 5 days later, from January 13, 2021, through January 18, 2021, Uganda begins to restore some internet services in the nation. Most social media sites appear to still be blocked. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55705404 Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni claimed Saturday that he

RE: Would you get Cisco 8201 or Juniper PTX10001-35MR and why?

2021-01-18 Thread Kevin McCormick
Double check the features on the Cisco 8000. Either Cisco purposefully limited features or they are still developing the software. I was initially excited about the Cisco 8000 series until I started reading the configuration guides and found the router does not several feature we use on the ASR

Would you get Cisco 8201 or Juniper PTX10001-35MR and why?

2021-01-18 Thread adamv0025
Hi folks, I'd like to get other operator's views on the Cisco 8201 versus Juniper PTX10001-35MR choice, What made you (or what would make you) go for one or the other? Speeds and feeds are identical between these two, Cisco seems much better with regards to power consumption, but Juniper's