Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 2021-08-28 00:58, Tom Beecher wrote: Fundamentally I think everyone should care about this situation. As I read it, it breaks down as : - AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation are engaged in a dispute over number assignment policies. - AFRINIC invokes the clause that they are reclaiming the space

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Fundamentally I think everyone should care about this situation. As I read it, it breaks down as : - AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation are engaged in a dispute over number assignment policies. - AFRINIC invokes the clause that they are reclaiming the space in question. - Cloud Innovation files for

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 9:15 PM Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 1:07 AM Bill Woodcock wrote: >> >> > On Aug 28, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Baldur Norddahl >> > wrote: >> > just to point out it is not just one guy but a whole region doing business >> > like that. >> >> You’re

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, 02:56 Mark Seiden, wrote: > i’ll save you some time. > > larus Foundation seems to be a shell in Hong Kong. with one employee named > as the “Chair” since 1/2019. (She was previously > executive assistant to the CEO of Larus Cloud Service Limited, and before > that at

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 1:07 AM Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On Aug 28, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Baldur Norddahl > wrote: > > just to point out it is not just one guy but a whole region doing > business like that. > > You’re saying a whole region consists of parties who don’t route IP > traffic? > > None

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

i’ll save you some time. larus Foundation seems to be a shell in Hong Kong. with one employee named as the “Chair” since 1/2019. (She was previously executive assistant to the CEO of Larus Cloud Service Limited, and before that at University.). There is an org chart but nobody on Linkedin has

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

+1 on Bryan's message. TL;DR It seems lots of ISPs are struggling to figure out the why and the where of many IP addresses or blocks that are suddenly being blacklisted or flagged as VPNs or as out of service area. I would really love to find, as Bryan said, if there is one particular IP

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021, 00:50 Baldur Norddahl, wrote: > Hello > Hi > > BUT - how is this so different from what many many other parties have > done? I think we all know some huge ISPs that got much larger blocks than > strictly needed, and which now are profiting directly or indirectly. > By

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 6:38 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > >> On Aug 27, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: >> I’d expect that for a court to freeze assets of AFRINIC there must be a very >> strong argument. > > You know what’s funny? There are a bunch of other people copying-and-pasting > that same

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 28, 2021, at 12:48 AM, Baldur Norddahl > wrote: > just to point out it is not just one guy but a whole region doing business > like that. You’re saying a whole region consists of parties who don’t route IP traffic? If not, you’re making a false equivalency. > In the RIPE region we

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 12:13 AM Bill Woodcock wrote: > Well, I hope not _many_ other parties. I guess we’re not talking about “a > completely different case” after all, then? Bear in mind that this guy is > in _no way_ part of the Internet ecosystem. He is _solely_ extracting rent > by

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 27, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > I’d expect that for a court to freeze assets of AFRINIC there must be a very > strong argument. You know what’s funny? There are a bunch of other people copying-and-pasting that same expectation on the AfriNIC and APNIC mailing lists,

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 27, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Baldur Norddahl > wrote: > Let's pretend that I am talking about a completely different case. > > A guy is profiting from leasing out addresses. This is clearly unfair as he > lied to get them back then. However this means the addresses are actually in > use

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 2:58 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Aug 27, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: Hi, If, like me, you feel like chipping in a little bit of money to help AfriNIC make payroll despite Heng having gotten their bank accounts frozen, some of the African ISP

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Sabri, I agree that the donation request is within the AUP. But the discussion then devolved into details on a private legal dispute, with both sides airing their grievances. There is a place for that discussion. It’s just not NANOG. -mel > On Aug 27, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 27, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: Hi, > If, like me, you feel like chipping in a little bit of money to help AfriNIC > make payroll despite Heng having gotten their bank accounts frozen, some of > the > African ISP associations have put together a fund, which

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle!

Is there some new DB that major CDNs are using? We've been getting several reports of prefixes of ours being blocked, claiming to be VPNs, even though we've been using those subnets without incident for years. HBO, Netflix, and Hulu appear to be common denominators. I have to wonder if

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Hello I know nothing about this case although it sounds like this guy needs to be stopped. However, let's pretend that I am talking about a completely different case. A guy sometime in the past acquired some large blocks of IP addresses. He was not completely honest at the time so he got more

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 4:30 PM, John Curran wrote:> > ARIN does not normally comment on disputes or related litigation occurring > at another RIR, but this matter has become quite different, as it is both > highly public and has potential for significant impact to the overall > stability of the Internet

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 22:07, Bryan Fields wrote: People, can we at least quote properly?  I can't follow this at all. I wish ARIN would stay out of this, it's not something that affects the ARIN region, and nothing said in this statement seems to refute any of the allegations against AFRINIC.  What

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 18:18, Aaron Wendel wrote: I suppose people who wanted to take a side could also block traffic to and from Cloud Innovations IP blocks. Oddly, I recommended to a friend (one who promotes competitors do the wrong thing, hehe) that sending CI routes to /dev/null would be ideal.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 27 Aug 2021, at 4:07 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > ... > I wish ARIN would stay out of this, it's not something that affects the ARIN > region, Bryan - I agree in general, but note the characterization of “not affecting ARIN” community isn’t the case when the dispute in question can

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Bryan, Legal dispute discussions are prohibited by NANOG’s AUP. Please help us keep this stuff out of the NANOG stream -mel via cell > On Aug 27, 2021, at 1:10 PM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > People, can we at least quote properly? I

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> I wish ARIN would stay out of this, it's not something that affects the ARIN > region, and nothing said in this statement seems to refute any of the > allegations against AFRINIC. What it does seem to do is state Lu Heng/Cloud > Innovation is a shady guy. While this may be true, I'd expect a

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 People, can we at least quote properly? I can't follow this at all. I wish ARIN would stay out of this, it's not something that affects the ARIN region, and nothing said in this statement seems to refute any of the allegations against AFRINIC.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

I donated days ago as well - right after the ISP fund-raising initiative was launched. /John > On Aug 27, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > lotta words. i put my money where my mouth was days ago. you should > too. > > randy

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

lotta words. i put my money where my mouth was days ago. you should too. randy

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

My MacGuffin-O-Meter maxed out in that graph, definitely. On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 1:41 PM Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:50:01 -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG said: > > > > Cloud innovation accounts for 80% of all AFRINIC whois updates in 2021 > > > to date and in AFRINIC whois,

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Aug 27, 2021, at 11:23 AM, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Excellent point. I have taken the liberty of replying to Owen’s post here on nanog for clarity, but also suggest we continue this on arin-ppml so as to spare the NANOG community. Thank you, John. I think NANOG has

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 27 Aug 2021, at 12:50 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: There are two sides to every story… On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 09:44, Lu Heng <h.l...@anytimechinese.com> wrote: Dear John:

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Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:50:01 -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG said: > > Cloud innovation accounts for 80% of all AFRINIC whois updates in 2021 > > to date and in AFRINIC whois, over 10 million (roughly 10% of all > > AFRINIC space) IP addresses whois information has not been updated in > > more

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

* rube...@gmail.com (Rubens Kuhl) [Fri 27 Aug 2021, 19:16 CEST]: But that doesn't prevent the other RIRs issuing those since all TAs sign 0/0. Nothing does except common sense -- Niels.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 19:15, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > But that doesn't prevent the other RIRs issuing those since all TAs sign 0/0. That's an extremely dangerous precedent to set. It would eradicate the trust in the RPKI system. How about letting this legal issue play out in court and avoid any

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 18:45, Compton, Rich A wrote: > > Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? Trying to resolve political, legal, financial, policy or other non-technical problems with technical workarounds is a very flawed idea. The world would be in a much

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

But that doesn't prevent the other RIRs issuing those since all TAs sign 0/0. Rubens Em sex, 27 de ago de 2021 13:56, Jay Hennigan escreveu: > On 8/27/21 09:45, Compton, Rich A wrote: > > Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? > That would pretty much make the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

* rich.comp...@charter.com (Compton, Rich A) [Fri 27 Aug 2021, 18:47 CEST]: Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? That would pretty much make the prefixes unusable since most tier 1's are doing ROV now. I'm not a lawyer but that doesn't strike me as a great

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 09:45, Compton, Rich A wrote: Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? That would pretty much make the prefixes unusable since most tier 1's are doing ROV now. Technically they can, but the whole situation is tied up in litigation so legally they

Re: [EXTERNAL] An update on the AfriNIC situation

Two reasons: 1. They don’t have an AS0 ROA policy currently. 2. It would violate a court order. Owen > On Aug 27, 2021, at 09:45 , Compton, Rich A wrote: > > Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? That > would pretty much make the prefixes

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

There are two sides to every story… On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 09:44, Lu Heng mailto:h...@anytimechinese.com>h .l...@anytimechinese.com> wrote: > > Dear John: > > The statements you made are very misleading. > > Here are some clarifications: > > Cloud Innovation is

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Can't AfriNIC just create ROAs for the prefixes and point them to AS0? That would pretty much make the prefixes unusable since most tier 1's are doing ROV now. -Rich On 8/27/21, 10:20 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Aaron Wendel" wrote: CAUTION: The e-mail below is from an external source.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Thank you for sharing this. On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 11:36 Bill Woodcock wrote: > As many of you are aware, AfriNIC is under legal attack by Heng Lu / > “Cloud Innovation.” > > John Curran just posted an excellent summary of the current state of > affairs here: > > >

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

I suppose people who wanted to take a side could also block traffic to and from Cloud Innovations IP blocks. On 8/27/2021 10:36 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote: As many of you are aware, AfriNIC is under legal attack by Heng Lu / “Cloud Innovation.” John Curran just posted an excellent summary of

An update on the AfriNIC situation

As many of you are aware, AfriNIC is under legal attack by Heng Lu / “Cloud Innovation.” John Curran just posted an excellent summary of the current state of affairs here: https://teamarin.net/2021/08/27/afrinic-and-the-stability-of-the-internet-number-registry-system/ If, like me, you